Ha. Yes, genuine.
I wasn't going to post this (VERY VERY LONG!)
but I thought you would like to see Talktalk my Talk Talk experience:
After months of hassle, I finally gave up and sent this email to Charles Dunstone in October last year, having left Tiscali/Talk Talk in July.
Dear Mr Dunstone,
May I call you Charles? I feel like I know the customer relations department intimately.
It certainly feels like we have been in a toxic relationship for a number of years that I am failing to extract myself from.
When I moved house in February 2007 and took up Tiscali Broadband , I was offered it with free line rental. However I was continuously charged for line rental, and eventually told that it was not possible to obtain on my line, and I shouldn?t have been sold it. I was emailed by --- as below:
06/12/2007 12.27 PM
Dear Ms XXXXX,
Thank you for contacting Tiscali Customer Support.
I am writing to confirm that you cannot receive our Free Line Rental package, however , we will be crediting your account every month to prevent you from being billed for any Line Rental fees.
Kind regards,
------
This never happened and in March 2008 or so after numerous emails and phone calls I finally got a cheque to cover a year?s period of line rental and an apology from ---- in Tiscali High Level Complaints.
Time went on (until March 2010) and I realised I had better chase up that refund again, (I was actually owed 2 yrs line rental at this stage) only this time I was told No.
No discussion. (Well I tried to discuss it, and copied in the emails I received from Tiscali promising this service) But no, apparently it just was not possible-because I had received a refund covering 12 months line rental.
And after this 12 months (according to ------ Customer Services management): ?it is down to the customer if they wish to remain with Tiscali on tariff including the line rental charge?
Nice to have this in writing 2 years after the original email-this was never mentioned in any communication to me.,
From what I can make out, Tiscali are in breach of their contract. I have a guarantee in writing from Tiscali promising to credit my account every month. There is no time limit in it.
Naturally it couldn?t go smoothly.
Here is the email communication that has been passing from myself to Tiscali/TalkTalk since September.
02/09/2010 04.49 PM
I asked for my MAC code back in July, and received it.
I successfully migrated to SKY on the 26th July, and have had Sky phone and broadband since then.
See copy of email received from Tiscali/TalkTalk:
"Dear MS XXXXXX ,
Your MAC (Migration Authorisation Code) request has now been processed.
MAC: LBWR1264434/IH09T
Telephone Number: 02073527638
You may use this MAC code to switch from Tiscali to other service providers who support MAC migrations.
Your MAC code will remain valid for 30 days and expire on 2010-08-08 . Tiscali will not cancel your account until you have given your MAC code to another service provider and they have successfully migrated your service. "
Today I received a letter telling me that you have notified BT to remove the broadband service from my line on the 14th September!
As this was clearly done back in July, can you explain this?
I have been out of contract for a number of years, as I had a Tiscali Broadband contract.
I received a Termination letter from TalkTalk dated the 12th July telling me that my "Broadband account and all associated email addresses will cease after 30 days from the date of the letter".
You have not provided a service since the 26th July.
I paid my final bill on the 20th August. I do not expect to receive any more bills from Talk Talk.
kind regards XXXXX
The response:
Response (-----) 04/09/2010 02.35 AM
Dear Ms. XXXXX,
Thank you for contacting TalkTalk Technical Support.
I apologise for the inconvenience caused to you in this case.I assure you that we will take care to resolve the issue at the earliest.
I gather from your e-mail that you would like to cancel your broadband account.
I understand your concern, however, it is not possible for us to cancel your broadband account, since we do not have the necessary tools. Believe me, if it was possible, we would definitely have arranged the service the way you wished because nothing would please us more than satisfying our esteemed and valuable customer. However, we have certain limitations with our tools that do not allow us to modify the service patterns at our discretion.
You need to contact our Broadband Cancellations Team on 0845 077 4488. Calls are charged at local rates. Lines are open 9am to 6pm Monday to Friday. They will be in better position in assisting this concern.
Also please visit the link given below for detailed information :
uk-tiscali.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/uk_tiscali.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=438
For any further assistance, please feel free to contact us.
Kind regards,
TalkTalk Technical Relations
My response:
Customer (XXXXX) 04/09/2010 03.28 AM
You clearly did not read or were unable to understand the contents of
the email.
My broadband with Tiscali ceased on the 26th July.
I no longer have Tiscali Broadband or phone.
I have a termination letter dated 12th July from Tiscali/Talk Talk.
I NO LONGER HAVE A CONTRACT WITH TISCALI
So why did I get a letter telling me that you have notified BT that
you will be removing Broadband from my line on the 14th September?
IT WAS DONE ON THE 26TH JULY. I DO NOT HAVE A PHONE LINE WITH TISCALI,
I DO NOT HAVE BROADBAND WITH TISCALI.
PLEASE ADJUST YOUR RECORDS TO SHOW THIS,.
Response
(----) 08/09/2010 02.43 AM
Dear XXXXX,
Thank you for contacting TalkTalk Customer Support.
I understand from your email that you are concern about your broadband cancellation.
I admit time delay in answering your e-mail due to certain unavoidable technical circumstances.
I realize that you have been greatly inconvenienced by this situation. Believe me, if it was possible, we would definitely have arranged the service the way you wished because nothing would please us more than satisfying our esteemed and valuable customer.
I have checked the records and found that you broadband and telephone account is cancelled from our end and also will make sure that no letters will be send herafter to you.
I once again apologise for the inconvenience caused to you.
Kind regards,
TalkTalk Customer Relations
On the 18th September I sent this, because I had received yet another bill:
18/09/2010 10.45 am
I have now received a bill for Tiscali Line rental.
See below for previous communication.
PLEASE SORT THIS OUT.
On the 24th September I received this reply:
24/09/10.50AM
Dear Mrs XXXXX, (Note, I have now been addressed as my mother!!)
Thank you for your email the contents of which have been noted.
Please accept our sincere apologies which may have been caused as a result of the issue which you are experiencing.
I can advise that if you wish to fully cancel your services, you will need to contact our Cancelations Department on 0845 077 4488 for further assistance. It?s still showing your phone line is active with us.
I hope this is a satisfactory explanation. Talk Talk does take these issues seriously, and it is always our intention in customer relations to bring the concerns of our customers to a satisfactory conclusion.
If you have any further issues, please do not hesitate to contact us.
We thank you for your patience and assistance in this matter.
Kind regards,
----
Talk Talk Customer Relations
So I replied with this: at 11:43 on the 24th September.
That number cannot possibly be active with you as I have been a SKY phone and broadband customer since July 26. I have already received a cancellation letter from Tiscali on the 12th of July.(Reminding me that as my phone account is leaving Tiscali I will not be able to have Broadband on it.
I also have an email sent to me on the 6th September telling me that my broadband and phone account is cancelled at Talk Talk end.
I have no wish to line TalkTalk's coffers further by spending time on hold (up to an
hour on my last attempt)at 10p per minute to confirm what I was sent in writing by TalkTalk in July.
Please amend your records immediately.
XXXXX
The response on 27/09/2010 02.11pm
Dear Ms XXXXX
Thank you for your email, the contents of which have been noted.
Please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience as a result of the issue which you are experiencing.
I have investigated this issue to our provisioning team to cancel your service down. Your reference number is UKHD00003812118.
In order for us to investigate a refund, we request that you send in a copy of the first invoice you received from your new provider showing your services active with them. This information is needed in order for Tiscali to investigate the migration of your broadband and to process the exact date you went live with your new provider. Once this has been received we will investigate a refund if applicable and the clearance of any remaining charges.
You can attach this document as a PDF format in reply to this email. If you are unable to do so please send your first invoice to the address below via a letter.
Tiscali Customer Relations Team,
PO Box 15323,
Birmingham,
B46 9BW.
I can confirm your account is now fully cancelled. Once we receive your first bill as advised we will escalate this issue to our Billing Department.
It remains your responsibility under our Terms and Conditions Agreement to ensure that your account is cancelled once it has been activated with a new provider.
I hope this is a satisfactory explanation, and I do apologise for inconvenience caused. Tiscali does take these issues seriously, and it is always our intention to bring the concerns of our customers to a satisfactory conclusion
If you have any further issue, please do not hesitate to contact us.
We thank you for your patience and assistance in this matter.
Kind regards,
----
Talk Talk Customer Relations
So I sent my first Sky bill,
And received this reply on the 29th September.
Dear XXXXX,
Thank you for your correspondence, your comments and queries have been noted.
Please accept our sincere apologies which may have been caused as a result of the billing and cancelation issue which you are experiencing.
Thank you for forwarding the copy of your invoice from Sky, I have escalated a request to our Finance team for the outstanding balance of £10.99 to be cleared from your account, this is for September invoice, and also a refund of £28.98 to be issued for payment received for Augusts invoice excluding calls, as they were made in July.
Please allow 72 hours for our Finance team to investigate and if approved your refund will be processed within 5 working days.
I can confirm the full cancellation of your account is currently still being worked on. To confirm again your reference number is XXXXX
I hope this is a satisfactory explanation. Talk Talk does take these issues seriously, and it is always our intention in customer relations to bring the concerns of our customers to a satisfactory conclusion.
If you have any further issues, please do not hesitate to contact us.
We thank you for your patience and assistance in this matter.
Kind regards,
----
Customer Relations Team
And to my surprise I received a refund on the 11th October.
I was delighted and thought that was the end of it.
Not so.
End of October I received another bill. I thought must be a mistake, because my account was cancelled. Fully. As described in the last email.
But it appears not, according to Tiscali/TalkTalk.
Today I received a reminder letter from the Collections department. For the sum of £9.56.
REF RL1/XXXXX
THE COLLECTIONS DEPT? I?m now being chased by the collections department.
I am owed approximately £260 for 2 years line Rental not to mention the time and inconvenience to me writing and attempting to contact TalkTalk, the phone calls (22mins x10 = £2.20, 60mins x10 = £6.00) , and The collections department is Chasing me???????
I?m sure you can imagine my frustration.
I have spent hours communicating with TalkTalk.
The last phone call I was put on hold for 22 minutes, and then it disconnected. I have spent an hour waiting to be connected before I got that refund. It costs me money every time I attempt to speak to a human. And I haven?t actually managed to get through to one. I have missed lunch breaks trying to sort this out, so TalkTalk have also been responsible for me not eating.
I am continuously told that TalkTalk takes these things seriously.
I really don?t believe that.
Could someone once and for all put an end to this.
Regards
I had a response from Sean in High Level complaints, who to his credit did actually try to phone me a few times, but it was better for me to communicate through email.
I emailed him:
"Thank you for your attempts to call me.
Due to the nature of my work, I find it difficult to make personal calls during the day, so email is better for me.
I have had a number of hang up calls from Talk Talk in the last couple of days, (no message left but I googled the number)-I presume this is more chasing for the alleged outstanding debt.
I think my email was fairly clear.
What I would like is repayment of the 2yrs line rental, and some communication between the various departments as to termination of contracts, in particular mine.
I have sent a hard copy of the email with a covering letter to Ofcom detailing the poor service and bill harassment. I have also lodged a complaint with Otelo, as I have had no sense whatsoever from Talktalk since February (attempt to reclaim line rental) and then July (attempt to leave TalkTalk)"
He replied:
Dear xxxx
I have looked at your account and can see that there were a number of credits applied to your account totalling £204.72
From what I can see this is correct please can you let me know if you agree with this or not.
There is an amount that is still showing as outstanding of £9.56
Yours sincerely
Sean Kelly
I replied with this:
I agree that there have been credits to my account.
What I disagree with is that it is the correct amount.
I will try to explain (again).
I changed to Broadband with Tiscali in June 2007.
I also changed banks and set us a new direct debit. I did it online, and Tiscali sent the details to my bank so all was set up ok.
However Tiscali requested the DD from the old account, didn?t get paid, (as it was closed) and cancelled my broadband for 24hours for non payment.
I phoned up and eventually got it sorted out, and was upgraded to broadband with free line rental, to stop me leaving.
Unfortunately the free line rental was never added to my account, (I do not know why, but apparently this was not possible to do) After many many phone calls and emails, I finally received this email:
06/12/2007 12.27 PM
Dear Ms XXXXX,
Thank you for contacting Tiscali Customer Support.
I am writing to confirm that you cannot receive our Free Line Rental package, however , we will be crediting your account every month to prevent you from being billed for any Line Rental fees.
Kind regards,
xxxxx xxxxxxxxx
(See what that is: An agreement from Tiscali to credit my account every month -with no time limit on it?a written contract)
In any case this never happened and in March 2008 or so after numerous emails and phone calls I finally got a cheque to cover a year?s period of line rental and an written apology from xxxxx xxxxxxx in Tiscali High Level Complaints.
So I plodded on until earlier this year, and I realised that I was well over due a credit for my line rental. I attempted to sort it out then, but was given the brush off by a customer service agent called xxxx xxxxxx.
Remembering how long I had to fight for the previous refund, and frankly being weary of being given the run around, I decided to leave. (I presume this is part of the Talk Talk customer service practice, just tie the customer up in knots, and eventually they will give up)
On July 26th, my broadband was seamlessly transferred to SKY. I continued to receive bills from TalkTalk (Why am I telling you this again?)
On the 29th of September after many emails to Talktalk (of which you have copies) one of your Customer service agents xxxxx xxxxx emailed me:
Thank you for forwarding the copy of your invoice from Sky, I have escalated a request to our Finance team for the outstanding balance of £10.99 to be cleared from your account, this is for September invoice, and also a refund of £28.98 to be issued for payment received for Augusts invoice excluding calls, as they were made in July.
Please allow 72 hours for our Finance team to investigate and if approved your refund will be processed within 5 working days.
I can confirm the full cancellation of your account is currently still being worked on. To confirm again your reference number is UKHD00003812118.
So Finance apparently investigated and deemed me worthy of a refund. I received this on the 11th October. Followed by another bill.
I don?t know why I seem to have an outstanding amount of £9.56 ?as my account was to be cleared ?and apparently the finance team approved my refund as I had overpaid.
(I appear to have a fee on the last bill for a returned payment. Not my fault .....TalkTalk insisted that my account was closed on a few separate occasions.)
So August 2007 to July 2008 = 47 months of service.
48 x line rental of £10.99 = £516.53
527.52-£204.72 (already credited) = £311.81
There was so much messing around with my account, I can?t tell where the credits came from except for the approx 12 months line rental issued by cheque from xxxxx xxxxx.
So I am owed £311.81 from Tiscali for line rental + my time and money spent trying to sort all this out.
That?s where we are now.
I look forward to your earliest reply
Regards
Then last week I received this, (with a couple of "I am still looking into this for you" emails first)
Dear xxxx,
I have requested for a refund of £219.80 for you.
As soon as this is done I will contact you again
Yours sincerely
Credit paid to my bank account shortly afterwards.
I decided I had won as much as I could and left it there. 