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to think that the people on here who were condeming Amanda Knox should apologise?

259 replies

margerykemp · 03/10/2011 20:57

Some of the language used by some people on here was really appauling.

Hang your heads in shame!

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sadaffair · 04/10/2011 09:28

I have obviously name changed for this because I live very close to Meredith Kercher's mother. I have no idea if Amanda Knox is innocent or guilty but did follow the original trial closely and the evidence did seem to stack up. I just find it very sad that at the centre of this is a murdered girl and a bereaved family and somehow find the jubilation surrounding Amanda Knox's release distasteful. She has a life and Meredith doesn't and Meredith's family has no peace - I wish we could just focus on that. I have found the whole story very painful to watch and I am just a neighbour, God knows how they feel.

Portofino · 04/10/2011 09:29

What Lapsed said. And there is ALREADY a Hollywood movie and numerous books and documentaries about this case. Behaving in an odd manner does not make you a murderer. If that was the case, half of us would be locked up.

blinks · 04/10/2011 09:32

witch hunt from beginning to end. i hope her and rafael receive compensation and the original lawyer brought to justice for what he's done.

justadreamaway · 04/10/2011 09:32

What physical evidence lassylass? The evidence was flimsy at best in the original trial and has since been even more discredited.

Her behavior? You think she is guilty because she turned a cartwheel?

As Milicent said, if you were some kind of sociopathic Mr Ripley, or a satanic witch-slut, you would make an proper effort to project the right image.

lassylass · 04/10/2011 09:33

So now anyone who things Knox is guilty is a Daily Mail reader? Love the games of association you guys are playing. Almost dirty enough to be a part of the Knox PR campaign.

Guede says they were there. Until he comes out and says he was lying, then they were there.

"There was no evidence at all that Knox was involved."

Odd that, because they were in jail for 4 years exactly becasue there is enough to convict them on.

Or at least there was. Seems things have now changed. Just goes to show what a lot of money and behind the scenes pressure can achieve.

MilicentBystander · 04/10/2011 09:34

I do wish people would get their facts clear.

The Kerchers DO have closure. A man has been sentanced and is serving time for her murder.

I'm not sure why they are so keen to see two young people who are innocent go down for it too. that doesn't seem terribly dignified to me Hmm

slavetofilofax · 04/10/2011 09:36

Maybe the evidence seemed to stack up because it was presented in the right way. Other information that would have made it stack up less was hidden.

While I obviosuly have every sympathy for the Kercher family, I don't think it is at all fair to say that jubilation surrounding Amanda's release is distasteful. An innocent girl has been freed, why shouldn't her family and supporters be jubilant that she no longer has to languish in prison for the next 20+ years.

Should everyone else that lived in that building, or who went to school with Meredith no longer celebrate good things in their lives because Meredith is no longer here? Where does it stop?

signothetimes · 04/10/2011 09:36

she was sentenced to 3 yrs for wronly implicating the barman? so only ONE year of her sentence has been unjustly served so she would only be able to claim for that one year?

Exactly, all this 'wrongful imprisonment' bollocks conveniently avoids the issue of her pointing the finger at another, innocent, person. It's utter bollocks to excuse what she did with regard to that man, the police 'made' her do it my arse. If you are innocent, if you know nothing about what happened, why would you implicate someone else who you don't know one way or another if they were involved or at the murder scene? Why would you want to bare false witness to framing another person, who was also innocent? I've no idea whether Knox was involved, no one here does, but I can't go along with all this nonsense about her being the 'victim' of anything. She's not a daft kid who hasn't a clue how the world works - to suggest that she 'innocently' implicated another person to save her own skin would suggest that somehow she was too thick to understand lying in a murder investigation would have serious consequences, not only for her, but for the man she implicated. Her fate was not solely down to a 'corrupt' italian police force or judiciary, nor some evil media conspiracy. It doesn't take a genuis to figure out that if you lie to the police in a murder investigation, if you implicate someone who then turns out to have a caste iron alibi, you don't come out of that situation looking too good. I'll save any sympathy I have for Meredith's family.

She may or may not have been involved in the murder of Meredith - I've no idea either way - but she's not some poor wee innocent child caught up in a nightmare not of her own making. If she hadn't lied about PL, then you could argue she was wrongfully imprisoned. I cant justify her lies with regard to PL no matter what the circumstances. Being questionned for 13/14/15 hours a day doesn't mean you have to lie or have to implicate another innocent person.

Portofino · 04/10/2011 09:37

Oh and Guede told the truth? Hmm In his first account, after he was extradited from Germany after fleeing the country, he said he was on a date with Meredith, went to the toilet and came back to find a shadowy stranger with a knife. Later the stranger turned into RS, later still he decided that AK was there too and that SHE had the knife.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 04/10/2011 09:52

If you think AK and RS did it, then you have to believe Meredith was killed by three people, one of whom left fingerprints, footprints and DNA all over the crime scene and body, and two of whom left no evidence at all. I mean, seriously?

So you're left with, 'well, she acted a bit odd!' and we're back to Joanna Yeats' landlord again, and Colin Stagg etc.

DoNotPressTheRedButton · 04/10/2011 10:01

'And this thread shouldn't be about Amanda Knox, it should be about Meredith Kercher.

Assuming she is innocent now- amnd I will go with court on that- then she has become a vicxtim also; a lesser one maybe but still a victim. She was given 3 years for defamation but still lost a year of her life, her reputation. That's enough surely?

FWIW the supposedly shokcing 'hugging and kissing' shots when shown today loked like two scared teens clinging on to each other after losing a friend.

My sympathies are with Meredith kercher's family but twow rongs cannot make a right and Knox deserves a chance now. I am not sure how I feel about the book; on one hand I think she bloody deserves thta money tbh, OTOH I am sure it will be horrible for Meredith's fmily. I'd prefer Knox tro decide not to sign but can quite unederstand why she would.

On the principle of the ost simple explanation being most likely then the fact that guede was a known burglar and the theory she surprised him would appear a lot more likely than complicated sex triangles with limited genetic envidence.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 04/10/2011 10:01

I imagine the police got the false PL allegation in the same way as they get false confessions (which have a long and intriguing history if you want to look into it).

Continued aggressive questioning and psychological (sometimes physical) pressure interspersed with, 'just sign this and it will all go away'.

It's very easy to sit here in front of a screen, suck your teeth and say, 'Ooh, I would never do that!' but an awful lot of people do, so I don't think you can really know what you'd do until you've been there.

DoNotPressTheRedButton · 04/10/2011 10:01

And YY Boulevard.

signothetimes · 04/10/2011 10:04

porto Why deflect the issue? Why avoid the damage Knox's lies caused? Guede is currently in prison, serving his sentence. She lied, she implicated an innocent man, despite not knowing if he was there or involved as she wasn't there or involved herself apparently. She's not 'innocent' is she? She is guilty of implicating another, innocent, person. She's now served her time on that, and is free but she's not been 'wrongfully imprisoned' has she? Wrongfully convicted of murder perhaps, but not wrongfully imprisoned. She's no 'victim' IMO. She has some culpability in placing herself under suspicion when she lied about someone else being involved or responsible. The consequences of her lies are that she ended up convicted of murder on what appears to be flimsy evidence, as well as causing another innocent person to endure wrongful imprisonment. I don't get why every aspect of what Knox did has to be excused. I get that it doesn't quite fit with the whole miscarriage of justice PR campaign that's been underway - you can hardly argue someone is innocent if they are actually guilty of something else - but she did lie and she did implicate another person despite not knowing he was guilty or involved.

blinks · 04/10/2011 10:08

the police framed PL, not knox. suggestions under interrogation (and AN's police questioning was the only one conveniently not recorded) combined with threats.

OTheHugeWerewolef · 04/10/2011 10:08

Some people on an internet forum, who don't know the facts about a murder that was overturned but believed the newspaper hype and the outcome of the first conviction, should now apologise to someone they're never likely to meet for talking amongst themselves about a story that's been in the news recently.

Really? Hmm

blinks · 04/10/2011 10:09

his name was put forward by the police, SOFT.

Bubbaluv · 04/10/2011 10:10

Being questionned for 13/14/15 hours a day doesn't mean you have to lie or have to implicate another innocent person.

There's a reason that miltary personelle are trained to withstand interogation - it's really relly hard not to crack.

blinks · 04/10/2011 10:10

AN had received a text from PL (AN worked for him) and that triggered police suspicions that he was involved. she was then persuaded under interrogation to go along with their theory. then when it became clear he was innocent- they pinned it on her to protect themselves.

blinks · 04/10/2011 10:11

'Being questionned for 13/14/15 hours a day doesn't mean you have to lie or have to implicate another innocent person.'

ignorance

signothetimes · 04/10/2011 10:13

I get it, Knox is innocent of anything that would suggest she has some responsibility for her fate. Okaaaay. And I'm accused of ignorance? Sheesh. I'm done with this topic.

wannaBe · 04/10/2011 10:13

nothing wrong with jubilation over Amanda Knox' aquittal.

But to do it in front of the family of the girl who was murdered is distasteful.

For four years they have believed that justice was done.

For four years they have believed that Meredith's killers were serving a sentence for her murder.

They have said in a press conference this morning that of course they had no desire to see innocent people go down for Meredith's murder. But that doesn't mean that they should be subjected to having to watch jubilation and happyness over the release of the people they believed to have been guilty.

To celebrate the release of Knox/sollecito (where is his mention in all of this?) is to confirm that Meredith's killers are potentially still out there. That must be a bitter blow..

Amanda Knox and her supporters have a lifetime to celebrate, a couple more minutes wouldn't have hurt, would they?

blinks · 04/10/2011 10:17

think for a moment- really try to think how you would feel if you or your daughter or your sister had been imprisoned and vilified for over 4 years and faced life imprisonment for something they didn't do.

then imagine being told that living nightmare is over.

blinks · 04/10/2011 10:17

and someone has already been imprisoned for the murder
someone who undoubtedly was there.

blinks · 04/10/2011 10:18

sollecito is barely mentioned because he's not an attractive american young female.

the sex card was played again and again in this case and even other women bought it.

shameful.

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