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To think a school can't legally suddenly ban the headscarf for muslin girls!

678 replies

Headscarfs123 · 13/09/2011 00:15

So our local catholic school has banned the headscarf this week...disastrous for some of the girls but also against church advice that headscarfs are fine, against DFES advice about consultation and sensitivity to religious groups, against best practice as this type of change should involve the governing body? discriminatory on religious and sexist grounds...Sikh boys can keep their turbans.

Aibu to think that the school is legally in the wrong?

OP posts:
Cocoflower · 14/09/2011 18:09

What a laughable and daft post.

Best of luck in your keyboard warrior campaign... bless you

ThePosieParker · 14/09/2011 18:14

My dcs go to a faith school we're atheists, looooong story, but dc2 (8) had to write Jesus was one of his best friends and a prayer for homework. He wouldn't do the prayer....I didn't know whether to make him, but the homework did say write a prayer that you like to say to Jesus, his argument was that he doesn't pray...

We'll see how that works out! Shock

onagar · 14/09/2011 18:15

Cocoflower, that's rather undignified. Don't you feel embarrassed now?

Cocoflower · 14/09/2011 18:34

Oh no... not me.
Thankfully Im not the one showing myself as intolerant.Which in itself is bad enough. Yet coupled with some worrying illusion there is an "all" Confused...

Your posts make very uncomfortable, at best, Im afraid.

IShouldHaveBeenAPairOfClaws · 14/09/2011 18:45

Onagar I'm with you, faith schools are the most efficient way to breed intolerance in children.

Cocoflower · 14/09/2011 18:49

Yes....Except its only the athesits on here who have shown intolerance in the last few posts.

bemybebe · 14/09/2011 18:52

i am not an atheist, i am an agnostic. that means i "do not know". i have no problem with others worshiping their god(s), however i don't want my children have religion of any sort pushed on them before they are 18... and that is what is happening in schools in the uk now

ThePosieParker · 14/09/2011 18:53

Well you can hardly be a religious person against atheists can you? We, afterall, don't affect your lives or any religious folk. You don't have to come to atheist school and say there is no God.....

Cocoflower · 14/09/2011 19:01

"Well you can hardly be a religious person against atheists can you?"

So you admit you are agaisnt anyone religious and therfore intolerant and therfeore breaking the law.

If you try and stop faith schools or tell us how to be faithful to suit you then you trying to affect a relgious persons life.

Also you don't have to come to Faith school either.

There is no such thing as an atheist school.

bemybebe · 14/09/2011 19:04

cocoflower please tell me you really are not aware that it is a legal requirement to hold a daily act of worship in any school in the uk

please. because otherwise i find your post rather insulting

bemybebe · 14/09/2011 19:08

actually it may be only in england (not uk)... can someone confirm?

Cocoflower · 14/09/2011 19:09

Yes of course I know that.

We are talking about specifically faith schools that advertise themselves as such from the word go and have probably been there hundreds of years before any of us have.

A non-faith school is a different matter. But we are not talking about those, so feel free to be insulted but you understand these are different matters.

ThePosieParker · 14/09/2011 19:09

Erm Coco I was relying to your comment about atheists being intolerant and inference that religious people on this thread aren't intolerant....

And being intolerant (thought crime) isn't breaking the law, although that comment did make me laugh.

And yes they did have to go to a faith school or no school. I prefer secular schools.

ThePosieParker · 14/09/2011 19:10

I always left assembly when they prayed at my school.

Cocoflower · 14/09/2011 19:13

Laugh if you like Posie but I suggest you research the law:

It's a criminal offence to attack you because of your religion or belief, or because of your lack of religion. This includes both physical and verbal abuse.

Someone is also committing a criminal offence if they stir up hatred of a particular religious group. For example, if they publish or distribute racist information or information designed to stir up religious hatred.

bemybebe · 14/09/2011 19:19

i re-iterate. religion should be removed from schools as a starting point. all schools. i also insist that this conviction does not make me intolerant.

Cocoflower · 14/09/2011 19:23

No. There are many types of school

If you want a faith school go there- if dont want faith school- then don't go. Simple. Then all the faithful kids can be kept well away from you. You can choose never to go anywhere near the place.

Just why exactly do you want to remove people choices? This is what I find infuritating- do you think only you have the right to dicate peoples choices?

ThePosieParker · 14/09/2011 19:41

Attack....verbal abuse?

Publish religious hatred?

No intolerance isn't covered by law, actions are, verbal abuse is but not intolerance in thought.

A religious discussion where people express frustration with an education system that indoctrinates children is not stirring up religious hatred, ffs.

"Then all the faithful kids can be kept well away from you"....Are you meaning to sound so hysterical?

ThePosieParker · 14/09/2011 19:42

Remove choice is exactly what religious, and non religious, people do who preach their beliefs to their children.

Cocoflower · 14/09/2011 19:46

Yes I am as its just as "hysterical" to suggest we ban the faith schools. Infact its more than that; its vile. Its domineering. Its a dictatorship. Its a repression. Its monopolising people.

Its despicable.

So you can be sure I will get "hysterical" about anyone wishing to take away someone else's rights to their belief.

onagar · 14/09/2011 19:58

Thank you cocoflower. You just did more to hasten the end of compulsory worship than I ever could.

As I have said I am not in favour of banning religion, but since the tax payers pay for the education they are perfectly entitled to insist that schools must only teach the truth and must stop discriminating against children because of their parents belief.

onagar · 14/09/2011 20:00

It's funny that at any given time you can probably find three threads on MN where someone is claiming "You can't disagree with me! there's a law!"

And they are always wrong.

Cocoflower · 14/09/2011 20:04

Blimey ongar. Do you honestly believe "You just did more to hasten the end of compulsory worship than I ever could." You think the world is watching this little thread on MN and as of tommorrow the eductaion system will change as we know it thanks to me?

Get a grip. Its a forum.

FYI- Religious people pay taxes too.
FYI- You have no more entitlement to claim you know the "truth" than anyone walking this planet..

Though, honestly in your case what planet are you on? One were you think everyone is fighting me, where a forum poster will make a difference, that only atheist pay taxes and only you know the truth

I repet; get a grip of reality

ThePosieParker · 14/09/2011 20:13

No, you're hysterical to suggest that my first reply in the 'tolerant/intolerant' inference, by you, warranted a reply that I research the law regarding 'thought crime' and intolerance. The further hysteria that I, or anyone else on this thread, have been verbally abusive or attacking anyone for their religious views.

You need to interpret that law, I can attack a religious belief, I can verbally abuse any belief I so desire...just not the person. Hope that helps.

Cocoflower · 14/09/2011 20:17

I said intolerance was illegal.

Its the same as being Racist. Or sexist.

I can't see why it so hard to understand.