To frankly not give a tinkers Cuss where you were 10 years ago

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and I'm not sure why it matters

Disagree with op completely, I remember watching the second plane hit live as it happened, it was shocking and I instantly knew I had seen something tragic that would have a ripple effect through out the world, I know that millions have died Since of starvation, war, old age, natural disasters etc, which is awful, but for some reason this event sticks with out in people's minds as being truly horrific

crass. really crass.

no one is demanding anyone remember anything.

i have spent the day at hope with my two v young children, so have not been able to watch any memorial coverage. if i can do that on the actual 10th anniversary day, how much easier should it be then for people who don't give a shit to avoid it at any time

why do you need to inform people about how little you care, or turn it into some kind of ghastly hard luck baby olympics? 'well why should i give a shit about x because look what happened to y'

there is a place for thoughtful critiques of politics and attitudes, particularly those that developed in the wake of this singular event

these critiques, as harsh as they may be (and perhaps ought to be) should not be confused with 'well i don't give a shit so therrrrrrrre'

whatever you think about any of, those crash sites are mass graves

If we are remembering one terrorist attack shouldn't we remember all the terrorist attacks?

Why do we single out certain attacks and make them more important than others where adults and children have died - perhaps shopping on a Saturday afternoon, or getting into their car to go to work, riding on the bus

Of course we remember, it was bloody HUGE and televised live throughout the world. It is the biggest and most notable think i've ever experienced and I actually got the chance to witness it and feel part of it. The Asian Tsunami on boxing day was another huge event but that was a natural disaster, not deliberate.

I agree that it seems crass that nothing seems to be made of all the innocent civilians who have since suffered from the wars fought because of 9/11 from the bombs and bullets from our country. We should be much more aware about the true cost these people have suffered but it all seems to have been swept under the carpet. I think though people are exhausted now from it all, it's all been going on for so long that another suicide bomber (unless it's in the UK or another western country where the people are just like us) isn't that much different from all the others.

ivykaty, we should remember them. But this was one of, if not the biggest terrorist attack in one day. So many people..

I don't only remember one terrorist attack.

I doubt most people on this, and other threads do either.

I also seriously doubt that most people remembering 9/11 today are even remotely thinking about the nationality of the dead.

It's always a lark to bash the US though isn't it?

CheerfulYank, no one is saying those children aren't important because they are American. What happened to those people was utterly awful and they deserve to be remembered. But so do all the other victims of terrorism and war whose deaths are no less important because they didn't happen all on one day.

Today should maybe be a remembrance for all the people who've been murdered by acts of terrorism and war.

There were people of all nationalities in the World Trade Centres. And probably several nationalities on the planes as well.

Don't read the threads then, OP.

For some people it was the worst day of their lives, for others it was just the most shocking. Maybe they want to share their memory of that day with others to help them remember and move on emotionally.

I've been trying not to get drawn into anything today as I'm was getting sick of some peoples negative attitudes on this forum for a while. Some of it is just whinging about trivial matters (although drop it already, you've repeated the same thing for about 5 pages, not actually adding anything to your argument) but this has pissed me right off. Fueled, I think by reading how disgracefully people are behaving/writing on other threads (I think you probably know which threads I'm referring to) and they are STILL spreading their nasty, bitter, ill informed views on other topics.

Today is not the time to be starting up threads like this. I was deeply affected by 9/11 as I was living there at the time. Someone I am close to dragged out the bodies or pieces they could find for 10 days. He came back a shell of himself. It wasn't a war, noone had declared war. So stop it please, if you're looking for a reaction and trying to be all controversial a slow hand clap to you. If you genuinely have that little empathy for people (and this isn't just aimed at the OP, I think there are some others on this forum that need to take a long hard look at themselves) then I am truly worried.

I don't know what is going on at the moment but it is horrible, some people seem to enjoy picking on people who are vulnerable or unable to defend themselves, or just mocking things that are out of their comfort zone.

Well said, Roundtable.

YABU, it's human nature to want to discuss huge, world changing events and most people remember where they were when they hear about things like 9/11, if you don't like hearing about it or don't care then don't read the threads about it. I vividly remember hearing about the shooting of the school children at Dunblane and watching the 9/11 footage on the TV, we should never forget these events as there are lessons to be learned from them.

Thank you Thumbwitch, I pride myself on being a laidback person who looks for the good in situations, but this is all getting too much now.

This " where you were" business is just a style though.
Obv attacks bad loss tragic.

It's not that. It's the triviality and irrelevance of your experience that irks.

Imagine saying similar to your mate who lost her mum. "Ooh when your mum died I was eating acsandwich and i was really shocked"

That's remembering ?

I think it is ok to feel that way. I am always amazed that anything US related gets so much more coverage and public respect than other tragedies but I suspect today is not the day to say so as for 1000s it is the anniversary of losing family and friends. There 'where were you' stance is a bit flippant for how serious it is/was.

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I know, Karma. Just a little sensitive, I think.

We (by "we" I mean Americans) don't matter more than anyone else, but by the same token we don't matter less.

I think if you have a problem with how certain posters/people have shown their rememberance and think they are trivialising things, then you should take it up with them.

Making a sweeping statement as your OP does is not helpful. Also, who is to say whose memories are more valid than others? Some people are not as eloquent as others in expressing their thoughts but I'd like to think the reason they are doing it is to empathise and show their support.

Enough with the US bashing, some people see a conspiracy in everything. It was a huge moment in history, other huge moments in history are often remembered outside of events. Dunkirk, Hirishoma (sp), Dunblaine, famines, tsunamis, earthquakes, etc

Actually, I think that the fact people do remember whatever banal and mundane activities they were engaged in on that day, shows just how big an impact it had. It invaded our normality and changed it forever. I can't tell you what I was doing at that time of day on any other 9th September with certainty, for any of the other 40 odd that I have lived through. Just as I couldn't tell you about any other 16th August other than 1977, or any other 28th January than 1986. But because those dates, as well as other, more personal dates, such as family births and deaths, were dates when my normality was invaded by outside events, of course I remember. Whether you care or not is irrelevant tbh.

sayithowitis, I agree.

Lol at take it up with them. Er.. How?

It is not US bashing it is stating the obvious. I know several americans who also think the US bias in the news and media is wrong.

Wow. What a stupid, fucking insensitive thread.

It's the juxtaposition of the mundane and the everyday with the horror of the day that people want to share. I'm guessing you weren't personally affected by the attacks or possibly had a massive shock/bereavement otherwise you'd not be so fucking insensitive.

FWIW watching the footage is a massive trigger for me for various reasons not directly linked to 9/11 and I'm avoiding threads on MN, FB statuses, Sky and the like. It doesn't mean I'm going to post bullshit judgements on how other people choose to make sense of what happened. It's also irrelevant what people's politics are - allow people their grief ffs.

Get this thread deleted. Please.