To frankly not give a tinkers Cuss where you were 10 years ago

[HallnotOates]

and I'm not sure why it matters

Threads like this tend to appear in November as well.

We are free to remember or ignore at will. But being publicly dismissive (eg by posting permanently to a global audience) at the actual time of a large commemoration is insensitive (to put it mildly).

I don't give much of a shit where a random group of (mainly) women I know on t'web were on 9/11 either.

I do give a shit about the 3,000 odd people and their families though.

It's called being human.

OP- sometimes MN is great for being all hard, and cynical, and nasty, and soundbitey, and don't-give-a-fuck-me, and sometimes, being like that, you get it so very wrong.

Like today for instance.

I think it is important to remember that an illegal war was launched off the back of this event, which has lead to the deaths of thousands of people in Iraq. It's important to remember the poor innocent people who died in New York that day, but equally as important to remember the people who've been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan and by the IRA before then (which quite a few Americans used to fund raise for - a conveniently forgotten fact once they were on the receiving end of terrorism) and for all the people who've been murdered before and after by acts of terrorism.

OP, YABU. I'm so weary of sneery.

Mate tells of someone said they were particularly sad as they'd connected with NYC since watching friends.

I'm saying the " I was at school on 9/11" that I see as an irrelevance.

OP - Watch them reading the seemingly endless names of innocent people who were killed that day. They may not care where strangers were, but I bet you every penny I have that they are pleased that their loved ones are still remembered around the world 10 years on. There were some remarkable acts of courage and selflessness that day, those acts deserve to be remembered.

Howndoesntelling other peoplenyou were on a train remember ?

I've read that thread and posted on it.

There are lots of posts from people caught up in the day's events on very personal levels. Whether because they were in the city or they knew other people who were there.

There are are posts of people who simply remember holding their dcs closer that day.

Sharing experiences is part of the healing process. I don't know anybody who was involved that day, yet I still grieved.

Very clever OP. You have started another thread on 9/11. The exact subject you want us not to be discussing.

Ok, serious points: I agree with the OP about people shifting the focus of dramatic events to themselves being unreasonable. It is a mawkish and very egotistical thing to do, making it about them, rather than the event.

It is right to remember and to remember the tragedy that happened. Drawing attention to the insignificant task you were doing at the time is disrespectful and irrelevant. As Karma says above, there were many things that happened that deserve to be remembered. Those do not need to be cheapened by association with the trivial.

However, I do understand why people talk about events and relate them to themselves. By making it personal, grounded it their own reality it makes it easier to process, to understand. That doesn't mean anyone other than their nearest and dearest should have to endure that so OP YANBU but maybe a tad insensitive.

By the way; I was one of those that posted where I was that day. I posted because I hope that if anyone is reading who lost someone, then they will understand that I still remember and that I always will. Where I was is irrelevant. What I remember about that day is realising how many people were losing a son, daughter, mother, father, brother, sister... right at that moment. If some random person doesn't care then fine, it doesn't bother me. I just hope that the people who lost someone take comfort in knowing that their loved ones courage and selflessness in the face of something so horrific is still remembered if they did happen to read it.

I watched kateandthegirls go through the horror of realisation on another forum.

I don't give a tinker's cuss whether you care or not. [shrug]

I found the other thread interesting because of all the different things people were doing when 3000 people were murdered. Some were doing normal things, some were watching who were personally involved in some way, the small decisions which saved people's lives... All doing different things and watching the horror of that day unfolding in front of them.

It isn't mawkish or egotistical, it adds a human, everyday backdrop to a horrific event.

I care more about the fact there's suicide bombings every day of the week and no one takes any notice but as soon as it's America we're forced to recollect memories from a decade ago.

I'm not sure you can be forced to recollect LOTM. Either you do or you don't.

Remembering is not about you ironing.

Prepositioned then.

LOTM- are we allowed to mention the 1000+ people who died who were not of American origin, or is that too yankee for you as well?

Or the German tourists in Bali? And the Spanish students in Madrid?

Do let us know, so we can tick all the right anti-US boxes, won't you?

Soupy - kateandthegirls, she lost her DH then didn't she? Or have I misremembered that?

I think the fact that people remember what they were doing when they heard the news shows the size of the impact of the event. I have no clue where I was when I heard about John Lennon because it didn't really matter that much to me (sorry) - but I remember 9/11 because it was horrifying.

I remember the 7/7 bombing in London as well - a friend's brother was nearly on the bus that exploded and would have been if he hadn't decided to take the earlier one - as it was, he was one of the doctors on the scene dealing with the fallout - he still can't talk about it.

Big events imprint massively on your brain - and you can remember much of what was going on at the time. Physical memory, even down to what you could smell cooking sometimes.

Shall we take 5 minutes out of our day to remember all the millions of Afghans killed? Or Japanese? Or Northern Irish? No no, of course not, for 10 years ago America was allegedly invaded by terrorists, we must stand united against "terror".

No one deserves to die and no one deserves more remembrance than another in terms of war.

I agree with your last sentence.

No-one deserves more remembrance than another but it's only natural to remember an event which you can easily identify with ie your own workplace or mode of transport being bombed or your loved one being killed whilst doing their job. There but for the grace of God an all that.

So the children who died on thoese planes, including the little girl and boy who were only 2 and 3...well fuck them, they were American.

Hall - No, remembering is about honouring the memories of over 3000 people who were murdered 10 years ago today in some of the most horrific ways imaginable.
If you don't care that I was ironing then I don't blame you, ironing is boring. However, starting a thread telling the world - including those who were directly affected - that you don't care is incredibly disrespectful, particularly today. Could you not have waited a day?

One of the posters on that thread described watching the towers fall from her office window. Next to her was a woman whose brother worked in one of the towers. That poster described that woman's blood curdling scream as she watched what may well have been her brother's death. I cried as I read that and haven't been able to get it out of my head since. As I watched the memorial earlier and observed the silences it was all I could think about.

My own post mentioned a friend of mine who had recently moved over from NJ. Her father was missing in New York for hours. I didn't mention it in my post but she actually lost people that day. 10 years later she still won't talk about it. My post also mentioned ironing (not sure if you were referencing my post specifically before or just coincidence) and how my mum was so shocked that she forgot that she was ironing and burned the top. Does the fact that I mentioned ironing later on make my post irrelevant? I hope not because my friend's loved ones deserve to be remembered.

I think that you should delete this thread. This is only going to offend people and make you look cold hearted. If you still feel the same in a week then start a diary. Some things shouldn't be voiced in public.