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AIBU to wonder what activities/attributes/attitudes/acquisitions/attir e mark a person out as definitely middle class?

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PhylisStein · 06/09/2011 22:04

I have just returned home from a Boden clothes party where I drank Prosecco and talked about house prices!

Am I middle class? How can I be sure? What else would mark me out as middle class?

Do I need more than one sort of houmous in my fridge at all times?

OP posts:
MarshaBrady · 08/09/2011 13:08

Croc-wearing? I now know I am resolutely not mc.

massistar · 08/09/2011 13:31

Totally get you wordfactory. I would never describe myself as MC either. I want to stab David Cameron, George Osborne etc in the eyes and I very much still hold liberal left views. But my children are getting a MC upbringing by sheer dint of the fact that they have professional parents, go to good schools, get skiing lessons, play rugby etc. I am desperate for them not to lose their regional accent as well. What a muddle. Basically I abstain from the labels altogether!

massistar · 08/09/2011 13:33

p.s I also swear like a trooper, watch X factor, listen to Dolly Parton and adore my bloody Audi!

Cereal · 08/09/2011 13:35

Lots of middle class people have those view too though.

"I very much still hold liberal left views"

massistar · 08/09/2011 13:35

CheerfulYank Scheme wean means child brought up on a Scottish council estate!

CheerfulYank · 08/09/2011 13:52

THANK YOU! :)

Lizcat · 08/09/2011 13:58

I thought it was because I ate lunch and supper.

Lunabelly · 08/09/2011 14:17

Middle class schmiddle class, I'm's posh innit, as am descended from French aristocracy wot fled the revolution (fact). This is why I have a heaving corsetty bosom (fact).

As I understand it, it's all in the teeny tiny things. It's not 'tishoo', it's 'tiss-you'. A lounge is what you would find in a hotel...a sitting room is what you have in your home. It's 'what' never pardon and oh bugger, I think it's 'loo' never toilet...

Since I grew up on a council estate, I had to learn posh-ese the time honoured way, by being an Oxford classics graduate's bit of rough. When not being Eliza'd, I would often be found thrashing him at Trivial Pursuit.

My pearls are from Primark. The only time I have perused any Boden was to laugh at the prices :o

UterusUterusGhali · 08/09/2011 14:28

ScottishMummy explained earlier.

A Scheme Wean is a wean (we-'un) who grew up on a housing scheme.
See also "Hoodrats".

You may know them as council scum if you are the Daily Fail.

BakeliteBelle · 08/09/2011 14:39

' Education top priority, indie schools after state primary, but don't give a stuff about grades or going to university or music lessons, just want the DC to enjoy learning and be with other children who love learning.'

Funnily enough, my DC's are at state schools and they and their friends enjoy learning

Pawsnclaws · 08/09/2011 16:11

Thank you so much ladies for your continued reassurance that I may continue to sneer (gently and privately of course!) at my fellow school parents. I actually feel a bit mean now as they're mostly kindly souls. I guess it all just seems weird how much they agonise over the tiny stuff when their children - and mine - are so incredibly privileged compared to so many. I find it hard not to pull people up when they come out with statements such as "we can't find a decent house under £2 million."

When I started my first job as a solicitor I was really shocked when one of my colleagues said "did you board?" I mean, what? It honestly took mr a minute to realise he was talking about school. There was just this assumption we had all been to a "naice" school! Frankly at my school if you survived the day without being bogged (head down toilet) you'd done well. And no, that's not representative of all comps - mine was just especially vicious.

BellaneyMimphus · 08/09/2011 16:19

Good god people
Just like what you like
Confused
It doesn't have to mean anything

catgirl1976 · 08/09/2011 19:02

I don't know

I have horses, i don't hunt though as i don't agree with it but i do go to hunt balls occasionally. Love point to points etc.

I holiday independently only usually to villas with private pools in places no one has ever heard of in summer and skiing in the winter but have also gone full on tacky and gone to vegas.

People in my family have titles but I don't.

I do drink too much wine although not at the moment as am pregnant. I like clothes that I like and don't care about labels though would never shop at boden as it is far too frumpy. Dont like Cath Kidston.

DC will go to private school and play rugby as DH hates football but i have a sneaking love of watching nascar on tv. My friends are from all walks of life. I work and am not going to be a SAHM. I don't make my own bread, I bake occasionally.

I have tatoos and used to be a goth.

When I am in London I either lunch at Harvey Nicks at the Oxo Tower or Burger King. I don't say pardon but I think I do hold my knife like a pen.

Really not sure what that makes me...........

diabolo · 08/09/2011 19:08

BellaneyMimphus - talking sense.

Why do we have to fit in little boxes? My DS is at Prep school, I was born on a rough council estate Oooop North, I sometimes wear Boden, I swear a lot!

I don't think I am any kind of class. But some distant relatives back Up North think I am posh now. Some of my DH's (horrid) relatives think I'm a bit common.

I don't lose sleep over it.

Greythorne · 08/09/2011 19:47

When I first went to university (one of the posh ones), I too was baffled when people asked me what school I had been to. Because it was a very ordinary comp at the end of our street that nobody outside our town would ever, ever have heard of. But they all expected to know just which school you went to. I would say thr nsme and they would look blank and for sheer spite I would say, it's a top catholic school in the north, haven't you heard of it? They all seemed to go to JFS, Haberdasher's, Merchiston Castle and Rodean, for what it's worth. Then they would say, oh, a day school? I had never heard of any school beimg referred to as a "day school".

dirtydishesmakemesad · 08/09/2011 19:54

at my daughters school there used to be a woman who arrived everyday to get her dc in a very expensive looking car (no idea what it was i dont drive and know nothing of cars)they arrived from a different area not long after we did but she was only there about 2 terms until she moved her children to a school which was aprently closer to her house (which was on the very much posher outskirts of the town). To me and the other mothers in this what i could comfortably describe as very non middle class school,the posh car, the fact her clothes looked so much more expensive than everyone elses and the simple fact of where she lived made her middle class.

ThePosieParker · 08/09/2011 19:56

The biggest marker is worrying about class.

Whatmeworry · 08/09/2011 21:46

Has anybody read "Stuff White People Like" - a US satirical blog on the aspirational middle classes - applies to the UK in spades. Happy reading:

Link

Whatmeworry · 08/09/2011 22:03

This is the "Stuff White People Like" post on Being Offended. Suits MN to a T :o

"To be offended is usually a rather unpleasant experience, one that can expose a person to intolerance, cultural misunderstandings, and even evoke the scars of the past. This is such an unpleasant experience that many people develop a thick skin and try to only be offended in the most egregious and awful situations. In many circumstances, they can allow smaller offenses to slip by as fighting them is a waste of time and energy. But white people, blessed with both time and energy, are not these kind of people. In fact there are few things white people love more than being offended.

Naturally, white people do not get offended by statements directed at white people. In fact, they don?t even have a problem making offensive statements about other white people (ask a white person about ?flyover states?). As a rule, white people strongly prefer to get offended on behalf of other people.

It is also valuable to know that white people spend a significant portion of their time preparing for the moment when they will be offended. They read magazines, books, and watch documentaries all in hopes that one day they will encounter a person who will say something offensive. When this happens, they can leap into action with quotes, statistics, and historical examples. Once they have finished lecturing another white person about how it?s wrong to use the term ?black? instead of ?African-American,? they can sit back and relax in the knowledge that they have made a difference.

White people also get excited at the opportunity to be offended at things that are sexist and/or homophobic. Both cases offering ample opportunities for lectures, complaints, graduate classes, lengthy discussions and workshops. All of which do an excellent job of raising awareness among white people who hope to change their status from ?not racist? to ?super not racist.?

Another thing worth noting is that the threshold for being offended is a very important tool for judging and ranking white people. Missing an opportunity to be outraged is like missing a reference to Derrida-it?s social death.

If you ever need to make a white person feel indebted to you, wait for them to mention a book, film, or television show that features a character who is the same race as you, then say ?the representation of was offensive and if you can?t see that, well, you need to do some soul searching.? After they return from their hastily booked trip to land of your ancestors, they will be desperate to make it up to you. At this point, it is acceptable to ask them to help you paint your house."

Lottieloulou · 08/09/2011 22:18

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fourkids · 08/09/2011 22:36

Whatmeworry, that's a fab link!!!

I particularly love the dinner parties one...I think that must confirm my MCness :)

Pendeen · 08/09/2011 23:19

Cheerfulyank @ 23:37

What on earth is a high degree ?

CheerfulYank · 09/09/2011 13:26

Like a Masters or a PhD, Pendeen. They're called high degrees here.

imogengladheart · 09/09/2011 18:40

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