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To remind you all to be careful 'what you put out there'

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deemented · 26/08/2011 20:28

Now, i'm pretty open when it comes to MN. What you see is what you get. I've spoken about lots of topics, including the death of my firstborn son. A little while ago, i received a PM from a journalist asking me to speak frankly about the fetal anonmaly that my son had and why i decided not to abort him. There was one, possibly two threads i've spoken openly about this on, but i know for a fact they were a good while ago - and i'm talking months here. So this journalist would have had to be looking through old threads to find out these things. I find that kind of creepy and somewhat stalkerish.

There is no way that i would ever want to speak to a journalist about DS1, no way at all. He's mine, iyswim, and i don't want to share him with just anyone. I realise now that i'd done that to a degree anyway, but that was in context, and not just random, iyswim?

I've reported the PM to MNHQ and also asked that the comments i made on the thread in question be removed.

When i commented, i never realised that in months to come, some hack would come along and see my dead son as an oppertunity to further their careers.

Maybe IABU, i don't know, but i think we all need a little reminder every now and again that what we put out there doesn't alway dissapear into the ether.

OP posts:
fourkids · 29/08/2011 12:42

OP I'm so sorry you were upset by a journalist PMing you :(

And it was definitely out of order - because it would appear (as stated above - I haven't actually checked the source!), that anyone using the PM system is instructed that journalists shouldn't use it for this purpose.

However, it is probably worth bearing in mind that not all journalists are 'hacks'. The majority don't work for the gutter press. A huge number work for Junior, Mother & Baby, Caravanners Weekly etc, writing informative, useful and inspiring features...the type of feature that most of us read (OK, maybe not Caravanners Weekly), and extract useful advice from. And this particular journalist may have been trying to research a feature to help other people who found themselves in a similar situation to the OP.

And it's not really lazy journalism. She may have spent literally hours trawling forums to find someone with a relevent and interesting story to highlight her feature. All she was looking for was the contact - she then contacted the OP to see if she was willing to tell her story. And in that position, many people are actually grateful for this opportunity (for various reasons). Hopefully, when the OP said she didn't want to talk to her, she apologised for intruding and backed off?

I think most journalists do this - it's unreasonable to expect a single person to actually already know someone who has (eg) been in a plane crash, dated Annie Lennox, suffered horrific food poisoning, given birth to triplets, and everything/anything else they might be asked to write about, so they use various ways to find them.

MN charges £30 to post a request. The journalist in question might have been a staffer, in which case she'd probably struggle to pursuade her publication to pay this, or she might have been freelance, in which case she may have been paid as little as £150 for the feature - £30 to MN, phone calls to the OP if she'd been interested, other phone calls for research, maybe two to three days of her time on the Google and the phone, and writing the feature...she'd be better signing on!! If MN didn't charge, the journalist in question would undoubtedly simply have posted a request for interested people, because that would be a quicker route for her. And a more comfortable one - she probably had to steel herself and hold her breath to contact the OP about a very sensitive subject - she may not actually be a thick-skinned old hack, but a perfectly normal young woman, doing a job that can sometimes be challenging. Just like most people.

Also, it isn't really like overhearing something on a bus because simply by writing on this forum you've agreed that MN pretty much own your words and have the right to reprint them. If MN want to right a book, for example, they can use all your comments and posts as they wish. Without contacting you to ask your permission (because you've already given it) or sending you a proof to see before it goes to print. If you talk quietly on a bus, you risk a handful of earwiggers overhearing - if you post on hear you deliberately make your words public to potentially millions of people, as well as giving MN the right to re-use them at will. Which is basically the reminder the OP is giving :)

Still sorry you were upset OP, just clarifying the journalist's position.

weejimmykrankie · 29/08/2011 16:50

Fourkids, I was composing something in my head before I got to your post but you said it all much more eloquently than I could. Hear Hear.

In particular, how many of those who have posted condemning the journalist are readers of magazines and quality newspapers? The sort of articles that help, entertain and inform us are often based on real life experience and if people don't contribute then we don't get the benefit. It's not unreasonable for a journalist to contact someone who has already posted about an experience on a public forum. For every poster who finds it intrusive, another may welcome the opportunity to reach a wider audience, raise awareness etc. You can always say no - it's not like being papped or doorstepped. And I'm sure that the woman was not expecting you to be photographed or even have your real name printed.

Oh and as a long standing friend of a journalist who wrote for Cosmo, Company etc for years I have it on good authority that if nobody is willing to give them an opinion/story about personal experience, they will sometimes just make something up. Wouldn't we rather read about things that are true?

fourkids · 29/08/2011 16:58

sorry..."post on here", not hear...becoming obsessed with hearing things on buses rather than reading them on here...

FigsAndWine · 29/08/2011 17:09

I agree with everything fourkids said.

I was PMed by a journalist a while back who wanted me to talk further about a thread I'd posted. It didn't bother me at all; I'm not under any obligation to talk to journo, or even to reply, so what is the problem? Confused

I appreciate that the subject of your son is a sensitive and emotionally charged one for you, OP, but having posted about it in a public forum, I don't think it's outrageous to ask you if you'd be willing to talk about it further.

I'm sorry about the death of you DS.

carernotasaint · 29/08/2011 17:52

I have posted on another thread about my sexless marriage and i know that many other women are going through the pain of this. But there seems to be the silent rule of "dont tell" which was put across very eloquently by another poster. I honestly wouldnt mind talking to a quality magazine ( like Red or Easy Living) about it if i could stay anonymous simply because there is not enough support or awareness about this. The same can be said for many other situations too. As another said not all jounalists are hacks. However i completely understand why you would not want to talk about the passing of a child and can understand both sides of this argument.
I hope ive put this across ok as im not a mum and im new to this site so i dont want to offend anybody. The lovely ladies on the Relaionships board have been so kind and helpful.

Iggi999 · 29/08/2011 17:58

I am surprised some people think it was an ok request. How can you get past the fact that journalists are specifically told NOT to use pm for this? So straight off we know she was unscrupulous.
There's a difference between posting on a thread to seek support yourself/help someone else in a similar situation, and having a pm pop up on your phone without warning reminding you of the worst times of your life.

deemented · 29/08/2011 18:18

Just to update that i have had an apology from the production team involved on behalf of their journalist, and it is accepted.

I just find it a bit unessacary, iyswim - the rules stating that journalists are not to use PM's for research purposes are clearly stated at the top of the screen when you go to send a PM. And then to ask me to discuss in great detail with them some of the hardest descisions i have ever had to make in my life... i was stunned. Upset and annoyed too, although i know ImayBU in that, seeing as how i put it out there in the first place.

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SouthernFriedTofu · 29/08/2011 18:24

She was probably just searching and you came up. Asking you why you did or didn't abort though Hmm jeez.

Hope MNHQ sort the paper out. Vile.

SouthernFriedTofu · 29/08/2011 18:27

Oh and as a long standing friend of a journalist who wrote for Cosmo, Company etc for years I have it on good authority that if nobody is willing to give them an opinion/story about personal experience, they will sometimes just make something up. Wouldn't we rather read about things that are true?

journalist cosmo company

Yeah maybe writers for those mags do make things up if they can't find someone to talk about their eating disorder whilst wearing a bikini and posing with a hotdog. But jounalist don't.

Bearcrumble · 29/08/2011 18:27

It's good they've apologised but no way should they have contacted you in the first place. I had one a few months ago, from the production company that make Embarrassing Bodies (can you imagine?) I was furious and reported them.

BecauseImWorthIt · 29/08/2011 18:36

I'm so sorry for those oh so poor journalists and all the hard work they have to do to get a story Hmm.

Honestly.

There is a way to ask for help on MN and it's not by PMing someone. Especially when it's something so sensitive.

I find it unbelievable that anyone here can justify such actions by a journalist. And I don't care if said journalist writes for the Daily Scum or for the best of the broadsheets. It's offensive and totally lacking in any empathy or sympathy for the individual poster.

You should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to justify their actions.

Angry

I'm so sorry, Dee, that this happened to you.

OliviaMumsnet · 29/08/2011 19:07

Just wanted to post on here to let anyone who doesn't already know this
as MmeL says we do advise on the PM page that they're absolutely not for journos but perhaps we need to advertise more clearly that you can report any PMs to us that abuse our policy.
Any other probs or queries don't HESITATE to [email protected] - or use the report function, we read every single mail that comes in.

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