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Jersey murders: to think the doctors who treated the murderer must feel sick to their stomachs.

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WonderMa · 15/08/2011 22:44

I do not know how they could have treated him knowing what he had done, seeing the other bodies come in.

They should have left him in agony or to bleed to death, then he may have felt something of what his victims, including his own children, felt.

I can't even respect what they did. In their position, I would have downed tools and walked out, fuck my job.

Now he is probably pain free and being guarded in a comfy hospital bed while those 3 kids are laid out in the mortuary. It will later come out that the poor guy was upset that his marriage broke up and that's why he did it and he will spend a few years having all his needs taken care of in a prison and then be let out before he's 50.

Makes me feel so sick. If this is cilivisation, then something's gone wrong somewhere.

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MadamDeathstare · 15/08/2011 23:23

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shakey1500 · 15/08/2011 23:23

YABVU, it's their vocation, belief that anyone, regardless, that needs treatment, receives it.

blowthewindsoutherly · 15/08/2011 23:24

Well, as has already been pointed out, this man hasn't been convicted of anything (yet).

Even if he had been convicted, I guess some of us are like you - into sharia law and capital punishment.

And some of us aren't.

Each to their own.

seeker · 15/08/2011 23:24

Bit strange saying that we'llhave to agree to disagree when it's only you that thinks that in a civilised society, doctors should stand by and let anyone bleed to death in agony. Oh, and that we don't actualy nee any form of legal process to find someone guilty.

Birdsgottafly · 15/08/2011 23:24

You have to apply 'unconditional positive regard', respect for human life and dignity, and i will admit that your non judgemental practice is put to the test but if you find it failing, you use your supervision to get it back, or get out of the job.

You do what works to ensure a truly civilised society and what works for everyones benefit.

Don't try to say what you would do, you haven't got what is needed to do the job or been through the training.

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WonderMa · 15/08/2011 23:26

Is there any need for namecalling? I started a thread with my opinion on something and even though you are all disagreeing with me, I accept that.

Mumsnet at it's best - infantile namecalling Hmm.

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Morloth · 15/08/2011 23:29

You seriously believe that it is OK for doctors to decide that a person should die? You actually believe that?

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WonderMa · 15/08/2011 23:30

*It is for the court to decide what happens to him, not his doctor. What about those paramedics who went into that hoarder's house and left him to die because they didn't think he was worth saving? They were only caught because the 999 operator overheard them discussing him.

Do you really want doctors and nurses deciding who is worth treating and who should just be left to get on with it because they aren't worth the trouble? My mother was not properly examined by one doctor because 'you're 70 and it's normal to cough when you're 70'. Maybe it is normal, but my mother had pneumonia and presumably more than a cursory examination would have caught it. I hope that doctor didn't end up in a town like Eastbourne because her elderly patients would be getting very cursory diagnoses as obviously the elderly weren't worth her attention*.

Slightly different scenarios to that of a murderer of 6 people Hmm.

I am sure the doctors did know it was him, they would have surely been warned by the police and the police knew it was him pretty quickly.

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maighdlin · 15/08/2011 23:30

YABVVVVVVVU i'd hate to see what your version of a "civilisation" is when people are refused medical treatment because they are undeserving.

solidgoldbrass · 15/08/2011 23:31

Nothing wrong with a bit of infantile namecalling when someone is an utter fuckwit. YOU, OP represent exactly what's wrong with society today - sentimental spiteful morons who are proud of their stupidity and think that yelling about just how vicious they would like to be to other people who they suspect of commiting crimes (despite having little information and no proof) is some sort of evidence of moral superiority.

meditrina · 15/08/2011 23:33

They may be different circumstances, WonderMa, but the moral principle in all of them is the same.

Morloth · 15/08/2011 23:34

There is no difference though, if you say it is OK for a doctor to deny treatment based on their personal feelings, then you run the risk of the doctors doing just that and denying treatment to people you believe are deserving.

seeker · 15/08/2011 23:35

What SGB said.

Maryz · 15/08/2011 23:37

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wearytraveller · 15/08/2011 23:40

I despair. I really do. The Daily Hate Mail is alive and posting, right here, right now. :(

CaptainNancy · 15/08/2011 23:42

Love it- 'Have to agree to disagree then'.

Nope- this is AIBU, it doesn't work like that...

festi · 15/08/2011 23:42

as much need for infintile name calling as there is need to air infintile opinions like your OP

festi · 15/08/2011 23:43

x post maryz

Birdsgottafly · 15/08/2011 23:44

OP It is the same for most of the services offered to criminals especially counselling. You have to value yourself as a human being not based on anything else ie status, earning power, or even behaviour.

This gives you a heightened sense of personal responsibility, so therefor you are responsible for your own actions or deeds, and cannot justify them depending on how others have behaved.

On that basis if you can see someone suffer, want them to suffer etc, then you are certainly not fit to be the judge or any are 'better' than the person that you are wishing harm to.

But that might go over your head.

Bogeyface · 15/08/2011 23:46

Where you in the lynch mob that attacked a paediatricians house thinking it was a paedophiles house?!

Its this level of stupidity that leads to that sort of thing happening.

lockets · 15/08/2011 23:49

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Kallista · 15/08/2011 23:51

YABU - doctors & nurses are expected to treat all patients equally. It's difficult not to feel judgemental of patients' behaviour or actions at times - as medical staff are only human. But any opinions must remain private & not affect treatment of the patient.

OP - if every patient who came into a hospital had to face moral judgement before treatment then I doubt many patients would be left! Eg. there are the violent patients, the gang members, the alcoholics, the overeaters, drug addicts, those who are continually non-compliant with treatment and so on. Patients are not perfect but we treat them to the best of our ability because that is our job & vocation.
In this man's case he was firstly a patient who needed urgent treatment. If he is also alleged to be the murderer then that is for a court of law to decide & administer justice.

evenlessnarkypuffin · 15/08/2011 23:55

Civilisation is treating those who are sick, injured and suffering regardless of what they have done.

wearytraveller · 15/08/2011 23:56

Not just reactionary, but really REALLY thick. despairing face.

LoopyLoopsTootyFroots · 15/08/2011 23:56

It's already been said.

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