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To think Joey Barton should be setting a good example & not a bad one

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Aftereightsaremine · 14/08/2011 13:38

Dh is arsenal fan & was watching game against Newcastle yesterday I was passing through at time Barton was viciously hauling a player up.

So aibu that at this time following this weeks rioting he should be behaving in a more exemplary manner & an example set by banning him for at least 3 games & fining him 6 weeks wages so footballers can start setting example to others.

Dh thinks iabu? I dont

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mrsdonkeybucket · 14/08/2011 14:16

follyfoot

I don't think that anyone 'normal' convicted of assault would be allowed to return to the job they had prior to their conviction, so why was he ?

HE is receiving different justice as he was just allowed to continue to play professionally.

He could easily still be involved in football, just not in a professional set-up.

I am all for giving people second chances, it's the third, fourth, fifth etc, that annoys me.

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Aftereightsaremine · 14/08/2011 14:53

Ok I admit to all that I had forgotten he had been in prison for assault & as such wouldn't care about setting a good example. So what if anything could be done about it?

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EdithWeston · 14/08/2011 15:02

Unless they add a "good behaviour" clause to players' contracts, there isn't much that can be done, except not renew at the next break point.

I think the wholesale introduction of such a clause would be a good thing - then all players would know about it, and know what they are risking if they do something that leads to a criminal conviction.

NorthernChinchilla · 14/08/2011 15:06

But it's Joey Barton.

I don't think YABU expecting people to behave well, but if you're expecting any sort of grown up behaviour from him you're looking in the wrong place, and MOTD is not the home of moral guidance.

Dread to think what'll happen when he and Balotelli square up, kind of hoping they'll have a fight and somehow simultaneously knock each other out...

follyfoot · 14/08/2011 15:12

It wasnt that he was 'allowed' to return to his job by the justice system, its that his employer made a decision not to terminate his contract. Thats up to them . If an employer of an ordinary person chose to keep their job open for them when they came out of prison, again that would be up to them (and I could give you some examples of that, even in the so-called professions, but I'd best not as I'd probably lose my job for breaching confidentiality). Thats not to do with justice, its to do with an employer deciding that an employee is too good at their job to let go or that they want to give them another chance.

I think we have to separate justice from celebrity. He is a violent repulsive little scrote, but if the law doesnt say that anyone convicted of assault should be prevented from returning to the work the perpetrator did before, then I dont see a case for preventing him from doing so because he plays football. What about cricketers? Or golfers? Or singers? Or celebrity chefs? Or actors? Which high profile professions shall we choose?

Lets start promoting proper role models to our children rather than worshipping at the altar of celebrity.

LetUsPrey · 14/08/2011 15:16

Gervinho - is it dived or dove - to get a penalty. Sadly happens a lot. Absolutely no need for Barton to get involved in dragging at his shirt and pulling him up off the pitch, obviously pissed off at the theatrics. Gervinho obviously a bit cross with this and pushes/slaps Barton in the face. Barton falls to the ground as if he's been lamped by David Haye. When he gets up he's saying to van Persie (I think) "he punched me, he punched me". You'd think Joey Barton would know the difference between a slap and a punch.

I loathe Joey Barton and hate the fact that's he's waltzed back into top flight football and all it entails.

He. Is. A. Knob.

Fact.

DogsBestFriend · 14/08/2011 15:23

Joey Barton's a fully paid up, card carrying member of the total wankers club.

That said, he called Shearer a slaphead yesterday.

He can't be all bad. :o

mayorquimby · 14/08/2011 17:00

"only Premier League footballer to have served a prison sentence during his top level career."

Pennant?

Also can't ban him as he didn't do anything worthy of a red card, yellow card max. And the most that players can be fined is 2 weeks wages at the moment I think, and if they fined him for something which wasn't even a red card offence I'd imagine he'd win his appeal so overall a fairly pointless exercise.
Add to that he's paid to be a footballer not a role model so his only obligation is to show up and play football well.

mayorquimby · 14/08/2011 17:04

I don't think that anyone 'normal' convicted of assault would be allowed to return to the job they had prior to their conviction, so why was he ?

if someone was willing to employ them (bar certain jobs where a conviction may be relevant paedophile/teacher or fraud/accountant i think) then of course they'd be allowed to return. Their sentence wouldn't say 6 years plus no job where you earn over 50k, as that would be ridiculous. As is the suggestion that a footballer be subject to different justice to everyone else by viry=tue of the fact that they're famous and earn loads of cash

KenDoddsDadsDog · 14/08/2011 17:05

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tinker316 · 14/08/2011 17:09

Joey Barton is a cock
I have no idea why he is playing in the premier league Hmm
He is a thug who cheats & is no role model I cannot stand him!! Angry

follyfoot · 14/08/2011 17:10

Thats a bit naive KDDD. There are many of his ilk still working in football.

Birdsgottafly · 14/08/2011 17:17

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mumxx · 14/08/2011 17:27

ImperialBlether, I would like to know here you get your facts from....say one more thing about Joeys family and I will message you to re-check the source of your facts with you

none of actually know joey barton, so why dont you all save your opinions for someone you actually know.

He has been in jail, he has served a sentence for something he did.

He is judged about everything he does...do you hear about the good things he does..no?...because that would be boring reading.

Columbia999...he makes Rooney look like Ghandi....really,.....truthfully? - you have no idea

Please stop using insulting words, they are hurtful and quite frankly unnecessary.

mumxx · 14/08/2011 17:29

Birdsgottafly....exactly HOW did he try and pervert the course of justice....

OH hang on a minute - did he not go on national TV ask his brother to please give himeself up....yeah that seems awfully perverted to me...

Birdsgottafly · 14/08/2011 17:33

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Birdsgottafly · 14/08/2011 17:34

mumxx- you seem to have a personal connection and be taking it personally, so i won't go into it with you, it doesn't need explaining.

mumxx · 14/08/2011 17:38

HE DID NOT arrange transport, the lad who did was arrested and jailed, he reufused to give them money after being asked to......so get your facts straight before you type....thankyou

Birdsgottafly · 14/08/2011 17:41

Just don't assume that posters don't know him or them, I have worked on 'the Johns', thank you.

mumxx · 14/08/2011 17:43

Well then you really should know better than to go twittering on here

Birdsgottafly · 14/08/2011 17:43

Anyway back to the thread, so Mumxx, do you think he displayed good behaviour fitting of a role model (which like it or not footballers are), then.

KenDoddsDadsDog · 14/08/2011 17:45

No it's not naive at all. Plenty of them yes, but Newcastle have a track record of welcoming thugs. Bowyer, Woodgate are other recent examples.

mumxx · 14/08/2011 17:54

like many footballers he doesnt always make good choices, but he doesnt suffer fools either

i did see a number of examples last season when I was glad to see him not retaliate.

Let the first person who doesnt retaliate in the workplace stand up and criticise, are we not all parents who should set a good example? - lets not juist leave it to the professional footballers and blame them when our on children misbehave..

evenlessnarkypuffin · 14/08/2011 17:56

MayorQuimby, good call. I'd remembered that Pennant played with an electronic tag on Grin but forgotten that he did 30 days in prison.

As for Joey Barton, he deliberately stubbed a cigarette out on someone's eyelid. What else do you need to know? Am I missing some context???? Is there ever an acceptable reason for someone to do that? I think we can all make our own minds up as to what kind of creature would behave in that way.

KenDoddsDadsDog · 14/08/2011 17:58

Do people retaliate in the workplace by kicking , stamping, burning someone's eye with a cigar?
If you did you'd be fired and never work again. Instead Barton gets a payrise.

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