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To not tell MIL I'm being induced?

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rooks14 · 12/08/2011 15:00

If I were to go into labour naturally, the plan was for me and DP to go to the hospital, if I'm going to be admitted, phone my mum who lives 5 hours away, she'll drive up and clean my house/ do some washing/ get some shopping in while she waits, then when I'm getting close, tell DP's mum, my mum wouldd go and pick up DP's mum on the way to the hospital to see us/collect us with baby!

I'm now 10 days overdue, and am going to be induced on sunday night. MIL is a bit of a worrier, and I know she'd tell EVERYONE that I'm in labour, cue a million unwanted phone calls and status updates. She also works in the medical profession losely and so would practically be wanting to check how dialated I am herself/over analysing every thing that happened/ rubbing my belly all the damn time! (Sorry bit of a rant about belly groping!) It's all a personal thing that i'm really worried about labour and just don't want everyone knowing all the details of how long it was/how many stitches I had etc etc.

Do you think it's really unfair to not tell MIL I'm being induced on sunday? My mum is so calm and I know she'll be usefull and not over beariing, hence why she's staying for a few days! I was thinnking about getting DP to call her when I'm giong into the delivery suite, but it seems out of order that my mum will know and even though we know this far in advance it will be sunday, she won't find out till about an hour before?

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cricketballs · 13/08/2011 09:12

ffs; lets just drown all men at birth after they have given up their sperm.....

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ShoutyHamster · 13/08/2011 09:53

Sorry cricketballs, but yes!

Ever heard the phrase 'with rights come responsibilities'? Grin

I think the poster that said that was trying to make the point that it's a bit rich for an expectant father to jump up and start banging on about his 'rights' to influence how the birth is undertaken for HIS peace of mind, and then back out of the room whimpering when the nasty scary old instruments start coming out!

If it's your view that the father - and by extension his mum, because you persist in seeing this issue as one of familial competition despite the OP saying that she wants her MIL not told simply because her MIL is a pain - if it's your view that the father to be is EQUALLY a part of the process, is EQUALLY 'at the centre' of the birth then no, he does not get to be 'not comfortable' with the icky bits - the other parent can't get up off the bed and say 'ooh sorry I'm not up for this bit' - so neither should he!

But a good dad-to-be knows that and simply wouldn't think in a million years of waiting until his wife was undergoing unpleasant bits of the birth process and then decide to pop off for some 'support' from his mum and leave her to it. A good birth partner wouldn't think that his feelings at that point were a priority.

This thread has become about what the OP isn't - familial competition. It's not hard to smell the fear in the posts of the mums of boys here, and I think that that is really sad, and just not necessary. Bottom line - no, it isn't the same knowing that your daughter is giving birth as knowing that your son is watching his wife/partner give birth. The latter doesn't involve the irrational but naked fear that it will be your child who dies during the process or who ends up permanently damaged. Or the agony that you know your child is in pain, perhaps frightened, and there's nothing you can (or should) do about it. Anyone trying to equate the two just makes themselves look desperate and unreasonable.

As a mum of a son, I find it bizarre that on this thread some people are putting more effort into denying the realities of biology in order to convince themselves that they are an equal grandparent, rather than simply fostering relationships with the next generation - their son and wife, or daughter and husband - which will ensure that they do indeed become as central and as loved as anyone else in the family.

Growing up I do not remember any feeling of one set of grandparents being more involved or central than the other. My mother called her MIL 'mum'. As I could see it, tensions - and there were plenty! - arose not from whose child was whose and whose side someone was on, but just from individual personalities. So, a normal bickering old family, but thank God, one where at least key members hadn't started out from the basic, fatal premise that there were two teams, and everyone was on one of them, apart from the grandchildren, who were to be competed for.

That's the issue I see here. I find it sad that some on here, mums of boys it mainly seems, are taking the trouble to go on about what would hypothetically be 'their' child's rights in this situation. Godammit, can't you see that the one thing that would be most likely to see you pushed out when it comes to your hypothetical future family is taking that attitude, that you are there to fight for YOUR child!

What I applaud are the people who just don't think like this, who see their children's partners as an equal part of the new next generation that they love in their own right. The kind of mothers who become cherished grandmothers are the ones who say 'Sorry, I'm not thinking so much of my son here - it's my darling DIL who's going through the birth!' Or, 'Sorry, I'm not thinking so much of my daughter here - it's my darling SIL who has the broken leg/appendicitis/who is working the 70hour week' (delete as appropriate).

These are the grandparents who have it right. Their attitude supports the next generation, as a family in their own right, rather than working against it at some level. They have the maturity to accept that their own parenthood is now secondary to their child and child-in-law's. They are the grandparents whose name is never a source of conflict in their grandchildren's home. They are the ones who are loved and turned to, and it doesn't matter whose parent they happen to be.

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ShoutyHamster · 13/08/2011 09:58

Sorry cricketballs, but yes!

Ever heard the phrase 'with rights come responsibilities'? Grin

I think the poster that said that was trying to make the point that it's a bit rich for an expectant father to jump up and start banging on about his 'rights' to influence how the birth is undertaken for HIS peace of mind, and then back out of the room whimpering when the nasty scary old instruments start coming out!

If it's your view that the father - and by extension his mum, because you persist in seeing this issue as one of familial competition despite the OP saying that she wants her MIL not told simply because her MIL is a pain - if it's your view that the father to be is EQUALLY a part of the process, is EQUALLY 'at the centre' of the birth then no, he does not get to be 'not comfortable' with the icky bits - the other parent can't get up off the bed and say 'ooh sorry I'm not up for this bit' - so neither should he!

But a good dad-to-be knows that and simply wouldn't think in a million years of waiting until his wife was undergoing unpleasant bits of the birth process and then decide to pop off for some 'support' from his mum and leave her to it. A good birth partner wouldn't think that his feelings at that point were a priority.

This thread has become about what the OP isn't - familial competition. It's not hard to smell the fear in the posts of the mums of boys here, and I think that that is really sad, and just not necessary. Bottom line - no, it isn't the same knowing that your daughter is giving birth as knowing that your son is watching his wife/partner give birth. The latter doesn't involve the irrational but naked fear that it will be your child who dies during the process or who ends up permanently damaged. Or the agony that you know your child is in pain, perhaps frightened, and there's nothing you can (or should) do about it. Anyone trying to equate the two just makes themselves look desperate and unreasonable.

I find it bizarre that on this thread some people are putting more effort into denying the realities of biology in order to convince themselves that they are an equal grandparent, rather than simply fostering relationships with the next generation - their son and wife, or daughter and husband - which will ensure that they do indeed become as central and as loved as anyone else in the family.

Growing up I do not remember any feeling of one set of grandparents being more involved or central than the other. My mother called her MIL 'mum'. As I could see it, tensions - and there were plenty! - arose not from whose child was whose and whose side someone was on, but just from individual personalities. So, a normal bickering old family, but thank God, one where at least key members hadn't started out from the basic, fatal premise that there were two teams, and everyone was on one of them, apart from the grandchildren, who were to be competed for.

That's the issue I see here. I find it sad that some on here, mums of boys it mainly seems, are taking the trouble to go on about what would hypothetically be 'their' child's rights in this situation. Godammit, can't you see that the one thing that would be most likely to see you pushed out when it comes to your hypothetical future family is taking that attitude, that you are there to fight for YOUR child!

What I applaud are the people who just don't think like this, who see their children's partners as an equal part of the new next generation that they love in their own right. The kind of mothers who become cherished grandmothers are the ones who say 'Sorry, I'm not thinking so much of my son here - it's my darling DIL who's going through the birth!' Or, 'Sorry, I'm not thinking so much of my daughter here - it's my darling SIL who has the broken leg/appendicitis/who is working the 70hour week' (delete as appropriate).

These are the grandparents who have it right. Their attitude supports the next generation, as a family in their own right, rather than working against it at some level. They have the maturity to accept that their own parenthood is now secondary to their child and child-in-law's. They are the grandparents whose name is never a source of conflict in their grandchildren's home. They are the ones who are loved and turned to, and it doesn't matter whose parent they happen to be.

Anyway- all that's seocndary. People, I REPEAT - the OP wants to not tell her MIL because her MIL is a drama queen. Not because she is her MIL and therefore to be vanquished. I think that's sensible. If the OP was saying 'I don't want to tell my sister/my mum/my hairdresser because she's a drama queen', people would be saying fine. It is fine.

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Flisspaps · 13/08/2011 10:01

YANBU OP.

I hated my MIL and my DM knowing I'd gone in to be induced. DH was regularly updating them and even though he was quick when he did, I definitely noticed when he was doing it. I despised the fact that I felt I was 'performing' for an audience.

Next time I'll be quite firm in that I don't want anyone to know until it's absolutely necessary, and the bloody phone will be switched off otherwise I'll throw it out of any available window.

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TheSecondComing · 13/08/2011 10:09

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clam · 13/08/2011 10:17

OP's gone quiet. Wonder if she's in labour? Anyone got her number? Grin

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Flisspaps · 13/08/2011 10:19

Not really TSC.

I didn't want them to know as they'd want updating, they'd be worrying and I had enough on my plate without worrying about what they were doing. I was right, and I can still feel the anger rising at seeing and hearing DH updating both of them when I was scared, in pain and having exactly the hospital birth that I did not want.

OP doesn't want MIL to know because she'll want regular updating and be fussing. If she thought her own DM would be the same, she wouldn't be telling her either. It's got bugger all to do with not wanting or including her MIL, it's about doing what makes the OP comfortable. What anyone else wants, frankly, is irrelevant.

Stress in labour can hinder the birth process, I don't think it's appropriate for MIL to know if it's going to cause stress to the OP.

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iamusuallybeingunreasonable · 13/08/2011 10:37

Yanbu, I had the same issue, in the end we told no one, as to be honest it wasnt really on the fore of our minds when you go from nothing to contractions every minute!

My mil has pestered to be told all the pregnancy, on and on and on, it did my head in "oh you will let me know won't you, when it starts", it was allabout her, then she could bang on about it to all and sundry

We called family after baby was born, within half an hour, my dad first, as we both thoufht it quite right I got to go first; seen as I gave birth! Then mil, first thing she said... nor congratulations... a glum sounding "why didnt you let me know?" .... errr becaus3 i was in agony, and funnily enough our first thoughts were not to call anyone... followed by "does iabu father know yet?" Because she wanted to be first too, I rest my case!

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blackeyedsusan · 13/08/2011 23:28

i have a boy and would expect him to inform dils mother first as it is her daughter who is doing the labouring. mother daughter relationships are not the same as mil/dil relationships.

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small boy has just added his input there... wonder if he is agreeing?

yanbu. and I hop that things have started naturally, I am still on post 100 and not got to the end of the thread yet Blush

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blackeyedsusan · 13/08/2011 23:56

(no he is not up at 11.30, that was typed this morning and i did not have time to post...)

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DuelingFanjo · 14/08/2011 00:02

has anyone trotted out the old 'I hope none of you ever have sons, then you'll know about it' line yet? [grn]

YANBU. Your Labour, your choice imo.

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rooks14 · 14/08/2011 02:34

Wow! I didn't realise this would cause such a divide. I think SardineQueen summed up my decision by saying:

"cricketballs so you think that while OP is in labour and if she is finding things difficult, her partner should be out in the corridor getting support on the phone from his mum?

Bleeding heck."

Any emotions DP is going through I'd gladly take instead of having to go through an induced labour and birth... I really think I have the right to be selfish in this situation, I was asking incase I'm resented by MIL for the rest of my life, which from some peoples posts, could well be the case! I think a father has rights over a baby, but he doesn't have the right to tell people about what medical treatment I'm recieving. Just because you're struggling with something someone has shared with you, surely that doesn't give you the right to talk to whoever you want about it just because you can't deal with it yourself?

I would be lying if I said it is 100% based on the fact my mums useful and MIL is an interfering so-and-so. It's a massive massive factor, I know she'll be googling the fact I'm having things shoved up my bits and telling everyone on facebook about it (she put on there I was having a sweep!! Blush because I wanted her second cousin knowing a midwife was shoving her hand up my bits at 10am on friday). But it's also the fact that my mum, is my mum. I need her to be nearby for emotional back up, just to know she's not a million miles away.

My real issue is the fact that tomorrow is my 21st birthday, so MIL is coming over to drop off my card etc, and so when she asks what we're doing today, it will be an outright lie, rather than just switching my phone off. I wasn't going to tell her originally until I actually went down to the delivery suite, as I really don't want her knowing all the ins and outs of my labour, especially as induced labours tend to be longer, more painful and more complicated. but the fact that I know well in advance, I'm not just not telling her, I'm actually lying!

This is too much to think about when I'm having a bloody baby tomorrow!

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rooks14 · 14/08/2011 02:35

oh BTW i'm having a boy for everyones that's mentioned that. I have no idea how I'll feel when he has kids, I haven't even met him yet!

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rooks14 · 14/08/2011 02:45

Sorry for multiple posts, should of finished reading before replying!

Flisspaps That's pretty much what I feel like! I feel like i'm "performing" MIL has made me feel like i'm purely a vessel this whole pregnancy. She is convinced that babies stop moving for a day or so before labour (i've always been careful and checked for 10 movements etc) and when I told her he'd been kicking, she gave me the filthiest look i've ever had! As though I was deliberately keeping him in so SHE couldn't see him!
I want to be selfish and demand DP is there every second and i can imagine throwing his phone down the ward if he was texting his mum while i was in labour!

MIL is always coming over for tea uninvited which is fine, but I'm heavily pregnant and live 20 minutes walk from the nearest supermarket, neither of us drive and there's no busses that go that way. I asked her once to drop us at asda on the way home and she started moaning about petrol. My mum brings shopping round when she comes up from london, even though she's been in the car for 5 hours, she still manages to stop for milk and potatoes.

MIL is annoying and unhelpful, My Mum is helpful and I need her there for emotional support. I really didn't realise that so many people would think that despite these things and the fact that I'M going through labour, purely because it's her son supporting me, she should know my business?

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LolaRennt · 14/08/2011 03:47

I really didn't realise that so many people would think that despite these things and the fact that I'M going through labour, purely because it's her son supporting me, she should know my business?

Yeah but OP some people are wrong. and some of them are on mumsnet. Don't let them get you down.

Good luck for a quick and easy induction tomorrow or a magical water breaking tonight!

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iscream · 14/08/2011 04:11

rooks14 , no, nobody should know your business, unless you want them too.
I suppose you can tell her you are going in to have the baby, then not contact her until he is born?

My youngest is in his 20's, and everyone didn't have cell phones back then, so that was what we did. We told them, then dh called people afterwards to tell them it was a boy, we were all fine etc.
He was born before lunchtime, nobody came to the hospital until that evening.
Then again, we told everyone that ds1 was going to be the first to see his brother, he was actually the first phone call.

Anyways, I think if I were you, I would carry on with your mom coming to you as planned, and simply telling your mil you wanted to surprise everyone. That you didn't want people "worrying". It is the truth, and you can't be faulted for your reasoning.

Good luck!

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ChippingIn · 14/08/2011 06:28

Hi again Rooks :)

YANBU - tell your DP that you are giving birth, when it's his turn he can tell his Mum... end of.

Cricketballs - just out of interest, how old are your sons?

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skinnymuffin · 14/08/2011 07:45

Good luck today Rooks!

And if I'm reading correctly, Happy 21st Birthday!

Who knows, you might be sharing it with your brand spanking new baby boy?!

What else really matters?

:)

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Mitmoo · 14/08/2011 07:55

Do what is right for you to keep yourself as relaxed as possible. This is about you, your husband and your baby, they are the only priority right now, everyone else should slot in around your needs and wants.

Good luck.

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ShoutyHamster · 14/08/2011 08:37

You've said it all, very eloquently!

Yes, lie :)

From what you've described of your MIL's behaviour - sorry, but she reaps what she sows, yes? As I said earlier:

'no matter what your relationship to a person, if you want them to want you around, if you want them to let you into the more personal parts of their lives, don't be a habitual pain in the ass. Because no one has a genetics-given right to nosey their way into any part of another person's private life. And in many ways, birth is about as private as you can get. '

Maybe if your MIL works out that you didn't feel comfortable telling her YOUR PERSONAL MEDICAL STUFF because she'd screech, hassle and post it all over Facebook - maybe, next time, she might start treating you and your family with a bit more respect and end up with a closer more genuine relationship with you.

You aren't obliged to share anything about the personal details of your labour and birth with ANYONE. And your partner has no right to without you being ok with it!

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ShoutyHamster · 14/08/2011 08:44

Oh and about MIL feeling resentful afterwards - seriously, OP - if she does - maybe it will be a good thing as in it could provide an opportunity for you to tell her (nicely) a few home truths. Because sadly it's shaping up to be a poor family dynamic here - with MIL being the one who is groaned about, who inspires rolled eyes and gritted teeth- and she probably doesn't even realise it!

'MIL you're right, I didn't want to tell you. I couldn't think of anything worse than having it all posted over Facebook - I'm sorry, but WE knew that if we asked you not to, you wouldn't have respected it, and you would have called constantly and hassled DH when I needed him to support me. It would have been extremely stressful having you know about my induction because of your reaction. I wish that were different.'

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Conchita · 14/08/2011 09:04

I feel really sorry for the OP. Yes the mature and honest thing would to be to explain to the MIL that she should be more discreet, but this is clearly not the time to do so. Why would the OP want to pick a fight with MIL when she's feeling so vulnerable and tense? Or have to grin and bear it just to put other people's needs first?
This is one time when OP can put her needs first. Yes, it won't necessarily be the right way to behave when DS is here, but until that time it's OP's body and her choice.
Am pg myself and already finding that people act as if I have no sovereignty over my own body, no personal choice and no dignity. Not just because it's somebody's else's grandchild but it's almost as if society at large treats you like your body is public property, and yes the intrusive comments on facebook and in RL are part of the problem.
women who are stressed and preoccupied have tougher labours so OP is absolutely right to do something to lessen the mental burden on herself.

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SardineQueen · 14/08/2011 19:38

Hey good luck for tomorrow and happy birthday as well! Take lots of magazines and books, all will be fine, how exciting you're having a baby!!!

Just lie to your MIL and deal with any fallout later. Or better still, get your DH to!

Really good luck Smile

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EggyAllenPoe · 14/08/2011 20:06

birth may be 'blip', but let me put it this way - my first birth was pretty uneventful and short. Then the appearance of my BIl (drunken arsehole) and my MIl (someone with much more respect for her own opinion than other peoples feelings) made me so stressed and pissed off i was seriously considering splitting with Dh in order to never have to see them again (and also because he totally failed to do anything to keep them away).

I can't think about DD1s birth without also thinking about that.

so: if the OP wants to proof herself against that kind of thing - SINBU.

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goinnowhere · 14/08/2011 20:55

Hope all is going well! What I think it boils down to is that in family relationships we often reap what we sow. My MIL was never going to be kept as informed as my M. Simply because my Mum and I are close, talk everyday, she loves to help etc. MIL is not very helpful, DH talks briefly once a week to her and does not tell her much about his thoughts and feelings. Therefore she was probably less informed about the gory ongoing details, and told upon the arrival of the baby. Afterwards, my Mum is with us for a few days, because she lives a few hours away and she is helpful and does not need looking after. It's not about favourites, it's about the relationships people have forged over the years.

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