To blame all the trouble on absent parents?

[SindyW]

I blame the parents who couldn't be bothered to bring up their own children. Typically Boris Johnson whos mother or public school (she farmed him out to) couldn't teach him how to comb his hair or which way up to hold a broom. Also, David Cameron who seems to have no temper or impulse control. He also seems more intersted in whether a Lobour MP has his jacket on than the riots. If they had been properly mothered the country might not be in the mess it is today.

Who's being smug? Why are you making this personal all of a sudden?

Also, you know nothing about me and where I live and what crimes have been committed against me and it's not about me anyway.

I'm not saying it isn't horrible and abhorrent and that some of the crimes committed don't need severe punishment. I'm only saying that we need to understand the root of why things have broken down this far.

And lifeissweet, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I also really think it's a shame that when one tries to look for a reason that something has happened they are accused of somehow excusing or condoning behaviour which is clearly wrong.
In my opinion Maypole doesn't actually know what his/her opinion is, they just know that they think 'lefties' are to blame for all of the worlds evils.
Maypole has offered no real explanations or suggestion, just spewed rather a lot of bile.

I know. I am a self-confessed Leftie. I make no apology for it. I even chose to do a Politics degree at a relatively right wing university in order to challenge my own beliefs, but no one has managed to persuade me otherwise.

I, however, do not recognise the 'leftie' being portrayed by Maypole. I have never said that I don't believe in justice or criminal acts being punished. At all. I don't believe we should be woolly or make excuses, just that we should consider what motivates people to commit crimes. I just fail to see that it is as simple as criminal = bad person = lock them away. I'm not soft, I just would like people to look for a solution that actually works.

I dont think we can do much until there are more jobs created, I have no idea on how we can do this but pushing up employment figures because so many people are in part time work that dousnt pay wont help.

Im so not a tory its unreal, but i dont trust labour one bit and they do not have strong leadership to sort this out

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Although I have to admit, my social Policy and Crime degree was done in a department made up almost entirely of fellow lefties :)

yaimee and you have decide daily mail readers are the issue

Personally I feel the issue is with poor parenting how ever many times I say it you choose to ingnore it

I have off rend a solution don't allow these people to raise children

Years ago having a child out past midnight would see you having your child removed now nobody says anything part from somthing about the daily wail and judgey pants

I don't want to understand negelful parents all I want is their children removed to loving one which we have waiting lists full and for them not to have any more

It upsets me you feel these people are capable of raising a child from the news I watched they are clearly not

All to often children are left to fester with these toxic parents 10 years of sure start, benafits and labour have not helped these people to become better parents.

And to the charge their are no jobs these people parents have been on the dole for the best part of 16 years in some cases

During the boom time

Also now granted their is not much work for someone who has been sitting at home for a decade but you can do charity work which in hackney and such I bet their is lots of

But the problem is with charity work we both know these people don't want work and are using the economic claimant as a cloak to hide behind

When their was plenty of work and we had to get the poles in were were all these people

Ok - find where I said anything about Daily Mail readers being to blame? Of course they are not. I happen to not like the editorial slant of the paper and would never read it, but I'm not blaming its readers.

I am completely and totally not disagreeing that poor parenting is the problem. If you look back, you'll see that I've even said that it is the problem.

All I'm questioning is how we overcome that. Your solution is to remove the children into care. My take on it would be that something has happened to make these people inadequate parents - possibly their own parenting - and that this will just continue ad infinitum until we work out where it has gone wrong. I would argue that the breakdown of communities is the problem. We used to raise children as a community. The parents were only part of the picture. We are so fragmented now that children are brought up almost in isolation and lots of parents simply can't cope.

I don't have the answer either, but I do think we should be looking for it.

I don't like the way you are talking about 'these people' either. I think if you look at each individual you will find a whole load of different sets of circumstances.

No, I haven't, not at all, I was just making a light hearted joke, not blaming people who read the DM for all of societies evils.
And what about the thousands of children left to fester in care homes?
Did you know that a comparatively large proportion of our prison population is made up of care leavers? And that only a tiny proportion of those who go on to further or higher education have been in care? That many care leavers end up with below average GCSE results. Or that a comparatively large proportion of those who are unemployed have been through the care system. Do you think that this is coincidence? Of course it isn't.
The idea that there are millions of excellent and caring foster parents or adoptive parents waiting to take on all these children is false. Especially if the children are older or have challenging behaviour, which is quite likely.
And of course these children will soon go on to have their own children, and the cycle will start all over again.
All you are suggesting is just another way to perpetuate the cycle. You aren't looking at how to break it.
That would actually be useful.
There is always a reason for someones behaviour, find the reason, tackle the behaviour.

You just put that way better than me, Yaimee. I'm just going round in circles, I think.

Was just thinking the same about your post lol!
Am starting to find Maypole extremely offensive, so am going to go now!
Also DP says he'll make me some yummy tea if I get off the computer, which sounds like a much better offer :D