It's okay Mumsnetters slagging the DM off - but it's the only paper that has nailed it re the rioters...

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A few quotes below from Max Hastings - says it all really...

^So there we have it: a large, amoral, brutalised sub-culture of young British people who lack education because they have no will to learn, and skills which might make them employable
...Liberal opinion holds they are victims, because society has failed to provide them with opportunities to develop their potential.
...this is nonsense. Rather, they are victims of a perverted social ethos, which elevates personal freedom to an absolute, and denies the underclass the discipline ? tough love ? which alone might enable some of its members to escape from the swamp of dependency in which they live.^

You mentioned TrompetteMilitaire, UsualSuspect. What is her attitude?

The Daily Mail, that upholder of decent standards and all that puts the Great back into Britain, was the most enthusiastic employer of illegal phone hacking tactics, according to the Information Commissioner's report.

Friend of yours is she?

No SecondComing. I just wanted to know what you meant by her attitude. It's a simple question.
Secondcoming - explain yourself. Who or what is looking down on people?

DEPRESSED.

mn has always been dm fansite
linked daily,talked about,
and all by folk who dont read it,you know
mn and dm inextricably linked

I completely agree, Second Coming. I think people going on about how it was middle class people who were involved in the riots, not just benefit claimants, so it can't have been sparked off by poverty and social dissatisfaction, have their heads firmly in the sand at the moment.

The gap between the rich and even the middle classes is getting so much wider that it is not only benefit claimants and the unemployed who make up the 'underclass' (cringe - I hate that term), but also working people, who are still not making enough to cover a basic standard of living. These are people who may have worked their way out of tough, deprived backgrounds themselves into a position where they have stable jobs and who feel horribly let down that, despite this, they can not afford to live. On top of this, we all see the rich in society becoming more so and not, necessarily, by working harder than anyone else. They just had the lucky breaks in life. They don't have to riot and loot to rob society - they can do it at work everyday and face no consequences.

Of course what happened is wrong, but I agree that we need to look very carefully at why it happened - not merely to punish (although we need that too, of course)

Am a bit late to this thread but to the poster who thought this TA was on £6,000 to £8,000 he wasn't. He was on £12,000. Past tense as he wasn't sentenced at the magistrates court which means he is on for a custodial sentence and then his salary will be £0. I hope he isn't entitled to benefits that taxpayers will have to fund.

Am rather in favour of his and his type not being entitled to anything other than very basic benefits. At least he won't now have the opportunity to influence young children he works with. I wouldn't want him as a TA at ds's school.

Breaktime would you please pop in some paragraph breaks?

Cos I'm having trouble reading your posts and am distressed that I may not be comprehending and answering you in the manner that your contributions deserve.

By the way, I would normally use 'because', but I wanted to relate to you.

I apologise profusely breaktime after further reading

But can you please put some par breaks in because your good points are eluding me.

Thanks a lot.

I meant they eluded me because of the one dense post I read and went off at before reading further.

Usualsuspect, you haven't yet told anyone what my attitude is. Could you please explain what you think it is?

All I have said thus far is that I dislike the kind of unpleasantness that was in your statement, and that this way of thinking and expressing oneself is part of the whole problem. There is no need for anyone, regardless of social class or income or anything else, to express themselves in the offensive way you did.

Will do limited!!

I tend to splurge out stuff v quickly as I should be doing some work have limited time. xx