to wonder what IS racist?

[OracleInaCoracle]

So, had a row with dbs bil the other day over his FB status. He was saying that the rioters and looters were immigrants and shoud fuck off back to their own country. I told him they weren't, the majority were english to which he replied that they were all "pakis and rag heads", now this isn't the first time and I usually just ignore him because he doesn't normally appear on my feed. But I called him a racist cunt his replies were just lovely including I should be burnt alive, but I digress.

His daft wife got involved and hurled a load of abuse at me and the lovely mners who backed me up when she followed me onto my own page. I tried yesterday to draw a line under it for db and sil's sake, but she has been abusive again, hey ho. But when I said "look, I'm not arguing with some 20yr old little girl and her racist husband" she was still insistent that he's not racist.

How is someone who moans about p@kis and n*ggers not racist? How is it not racist to say that all muslims or "r@g heads" should go back to their own country? Or that the only english people are white and can trace their famillies back in england over a hundred years?

Wtf is wrong with some people?

The whole black/white coffee debate - is that not just because the world of coffee has become stupidly over-complicated so there's no such thing as a simple 'black coffee' any more (do you mean filter coffee, Americano (or is that racists to Americans?, or espresso?). Surely it's the world of coffee rather than political correctness that's gone mad?

(And on the original point - not unreasonable to wonder, BIL definitely racist, and pretty abusive to boot by the sounds of it).

"Ban it" or followed a non compulsory guideline? There's a huge difference. Apparent to anyone who thinks PC has not, in fact, gone mad but has allowed people like myself not to called a Paki by their teachers.

And, by the way, "white middle class men" are allowed to appreciate and have a sensitivity to racism too. Or do you think all race relation policies should be written by those of a non white hue? I should introduce you to my mother and get her to give you her views on black people, you might find it enlightening.

I agree with your post of 11.35, Victor

"Of course nowadays, even if you ask for a black coffee, or sing baa baa black sheep, you are liable to get dirty looks from the loony left element."

Actually, the vast majority of those stories are apocryphal, and the 'PC GORN MAD' angle was developed, with the aid of such apocryphal stories, to discredit attempts to change certain language that was derogatory, or introduce equal opportunities.

If you ask for a black coffee then they'll sting you for £2.70 for an Americano when all you wanted was a mug of the bog-standard filter coffee (which hopefully hasn't been sitting around on the hotplate for an hour, but hey at over a pound cheaper who cares.)

If you ask for a white coffee then they'll sting you for £3.50 for a cappuccino when all you wanted was a mug of the bog-standard with a slug of cold milk out the bottle in it.

[tightarse, but specific about my requirements in over-priced coffee shops]