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...thinking that this could be grounds for divorce and I might have married a total waste of space?

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MummyCubed · 19/07/2011 15:48

Hi everyone, wondered what you think about this one (bit long I know!):
The day before yesterday I was not feeling well at all and ended up being sick all day, DH decided to go out with his friends anyway which I was sort-of fine with although it would have been nice to have had the help at home with the kids. Yesterday I ended up in hospital because of an asthma attack (not sure if this was related because the other seemed more tummy-bug like, but they did pretty much coincide). When I told him on Blackberry Messenger that I wasn't feeling well and had gone to hospital, he read it immediately but ignored it. I assumed it was because he was busy at work but then when he got home he ignored a subsequent message, as well as three phone calls over the space of five hours. I also left a non-naggy, matter-of-fact voicemail about how bad I was feeling. They let me go early in the morning and I feel a lot better today. However I am very upset that DH chose to ignore the fact I was in hospital, and then came up with the lame excuse that "his phone battery died" - this is blatantly not true, as not only does blackberry messenger show a different symbol when the message is read, but his phone was ringing, NOT straight to voicemail (apart from one of the times, which came up "Busy". He then had the cheek to say to me that I should stop worrying about the fact he hadn't called me and that something bad could have happened to him! Although I'm trying to rationalise it all I can't really think of a good enough reason why you would completely ignore your wife (or anyone, come to that) who is in hospital, however minor or major it was.
It's not as if we'd had a raging argument or something. In fact, we never argue, mainly because I can't stand his arguing style and have become resigned to just letting things go. Things have been "lukewarm" (for want of a better word) between us for about six months now, it started about New Year's. He claims to always be "busy" especially at work (although he used to call me and send messages constantly from work, as well as take time to mess about looking things up on the internet - don't get me wrong I don't need constant messages, I'm just saying he used to be much more attentive) and now seems generally disinterested in me and the kids. Every time I ask him what's wrong he tells me nothing or that he's not in the mood to talk. We now spend most evenings in different rooms, he prefers to eat reading the paper in the study than with me and the kids. He's also incredibly authoritarian with them, always had that streak but worse now. When I tell him to back off he says I'm "undermining" him, although he actually undermines people all the time. To be honest I've been thinking of leaving for a while now, yet every time I bring it up he says everything's fine and to concentrate on good times blah blah blah. When we had a trial breakup for a week a few months ago he sent soppy love messages all day (that I later found out were copied and pasted from the internet!!) But then the old behaviour returned after two weeks. I think this finally takes the biscuit, don't you? :-(

OP posts:
MummyCubed · 19/07/2011 17:21

I'd take the children with me if I left, no matter what. To be honest they are so used to me doing everything and are much closer to me - they prefer to be babysat by my mum or a friend than by him (although to be fair I was always closer to my mum and hated being alone with my dad, and he was on the whole a nice guy)
I'd rather stay in the house, but I have a feeling he'll refuse to leave and bury his head in the sand, so I might have to leave. As you say that would be the easy option for him to just ignore it all, but I don't think we can possibly carry on in this way any more.

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 19/07/2011 18:26

what an absolute twat

I would put money on OW, actually

the sleeping thing is a way to disengage himself and avoid you

I am really not sure why you are putting quite so much mental energy into A) deciding whether to stay with him, and B) wondering how he will react

...he checked out of your relationship a long time ago

slightlyunbalanced · 19/07/2011 19:22

Why are you still there?

GO women go!!!

LDNmummy · 19/07/2011 19:42

Oh my goodness, and I get angry at my DH for far, far, far less. When I read DH thread's on MN I always just think "WTF are these women doing with these men?" as I would never stand for it and would walk out ASAP.

OP please get rid of him, for your sanity and well being.

LostMyIdentityAlongTheWay · 19/07/2011 19:56

Um, how do you stand legally, if YOU leave the family home?

I hate to say it, because I always want to see the marriage worked at - probably past the boundaries when it's rational to do so - but on this one, I am saying 'I think it's over'.

What a shame!! He's been incredibly selfish. Writing on the wall time. Just ask him to leave, if I were you. I would be very wary of being hte one to leave the home. For all you know, he just MAY have a woman lined up to move in, and hten it all gets icky.

Very best of luck with it. He sounds rubbish. (sorry)

Mrsasp · 19/07/2011 20:51

hmmmm, I might just be seeing Aspergers everywhere due to my situation (hence the name), but this does sound a little like ASpergers. My DH (who has AS) acts completely unconcerned when I'm ill or in hospital for example. When I phoned him once having just come out of the consultants to tell him I needed an op he just banged on and on about whether I'd be home in time to take a delivery of something he'd bought (!) When I had a small baby and was taken ill he wouldn't come home from work because "I'm working!" Most things are shouted or bellowed; he has no clue about anyone elses feelings or point of view; always only thinks of hims elf. Google it and see if it strikes a chord with you.

bigwombat · 19/07/2011 22:25

Yes this is what I thought, reminds me of ex-h - never noticed when I sprained my ankle and was hobbling about, and never turned round or said anything when I told him I was pregnant. Just continued watching TV.

Pakdooik · 19/07/2011 22:27

Get rid

ledkr · 19/07/2011 22:35

you have just described my old marriage,i should have got rid before he starting shagging someone else,it would have been less painfull for all of us,the marriage sounds over unless there is a miracle,plan your next move.

honeyandsalt · 19/07/2011 22:38

Get your lovely mum to take the kids for an evening or afternoon, sit down with him and talk about why you're still together. 'Cos it doesn't sound to me like you should be....

spiderpig8 · 19/07/2011 23:37

Could I give you one word of advice? Paragraphs.

ShoutyHamster · 20/07/2011 08:45

I don't think you should leave, not at all.

Why should he - the one causing the problems, the one shirking his place in the family, the one who causes dissent and bad feeling, the one who refuses to help out ANY of the other people in the family (not just you) - why should HE have the right to stay, to not be disrupted?

The children come first and they should get to stay in their home. Seeing as he cannot even be bothered to make sure they are cared for and safe in an emergency (!) I assume that he would not be regarded as the primary carer, so you should stay with them.

Incidentally, it's also common sense, financially too, for one person to have to move out and pay for alternative accommodation rather than several.

No, of course he won't want to go and doesn't want the marriage to end. Why on earth should he? He's comfortable. He gets his domestic needs met. He gets to be the 'part of a family' man that society expects, rather than a live-in-a-bedsit-oh-dear-what-went-wrong-there man, a bloke getting awkward questions from everyone from his mother to his work colleagues. And he is sufficiently thick-skinned in his nastiness to not feel that he has to at least respect or acknowledge his family if he wants to live there, so it costs him nothing.

No, you will have a big job getting him out. The first stop there would be a solicitor. The second, telling friends and family that you are split, and why, and that he is refusing to move out. The third, stopping all domestic aid for him and living as if he is not there. You would have to make him very uncomfortable.

You spoke of counselling and depression and whether he is unhappy. I don't know. Yes of course he could be - you know him - what is your gut feeling? Mine is certainly that the extent of his deliberate nastiness towards not only you but also his children takes this beyond the level at which I would be considering his feelings any more. He is vindictive. You say you know he was reading your messages - fgs, what was going through his head there? Indifference? Pleasure that you were having a hard time? What the hell did he think would happen about the children? (Actually I know the answer to that - exactly what did happen - you would arrange for the problem to get solved. He already knows you don't rely on him, and he likes it and makes no attempt to change it.) Love messages all day, copied from the internet, eh? Self-serving little shit.

If it were me, I don't think I would bother with counselling, because I wouldn't want to be with this person any more, and would by now believe that they were basically the person they were - unpleasant. You seem to be there too. I don't think you believe that he can be 'fixed'. And you DID leave, and all he did was to pretend to you until you came back. He KNOWS how you feel, he just does not care except to make sure that you stay there and his life is not disrupted - as you say, he denies that there's a problem. You could speak to his dad - but again, what is it that you want to achieve? You see, for me it would actually be his attitude towards the children which would destroy it. He may be so thoroughly unhappy with you that he feels utterly vicious towards you - but his nastiness to the children is much harder to excuse. They feel it already - you say they would rather not be with him. That is a big, big problem which will get worse.

Is he having an affair? I don't know - all I do know is that if this were my husband, I wouldn't care if he were by now - I'd probably shake her by the hand Grin

catswipe · 20/07/2011 09:39

We only have so many days. You deserve to be happy. Why waste any more time?

shocked2 · 20/07/2011 09:59

Hi Mummycubed - I can't stand my dh's arguing style either and so avoid confrontation as well... My dh also resorts to "shouting down" very quickly and so we never ever talk about anything to do with "us"... In fact we are really co-parenting in the same house and that's it.

I wish you all the best and hope either a. your dh miraculously pulls himself together, admits depression, gets help for it and becomes a whole lot nicer or b. you move on from him and live a much happier life with your kids :)

WhereYouLeftIt · 20/07/2011 10:11

MummyCubed, you said in your OP "we had a trial breakup for a week a few months ago". Did your husband move out then? If so, where did he go?

LeQueen · 20/07/2011 11:09

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StayingNearlyHeadlessNicksGirl · 20/07/2011 11:32

I agree with LeQueen. I have suffered from depression, quite severely at the worst point, and there is no way I'd have treated my family as this man has. Hell, I managed to drive my dh over an hour to a specialist hospital when he broke his finger when I'd only had an hour's sleep because I'd been in A&E being monitored for chest pain!! That was quite an eventful night!

I also agree that it should be this man who moves out. If he moved out for the previous trial separation, is there any chance he'd do that again, for another one? That would get him out of the house without too much fuss, and once he's out, it would be easier to keep him out, I'd have thought.

OP - you are going through a very difficult time, and you have all my sympathy.

lesley33 · 20/07/2011 12:03

Of course he is BU.

TBH I would have worried about the relationship at the point that you let things go because of his arguing style. I am not blaming you, but if a couple can't talk to each other about things they are unhappy about, then the relationship is unlikely to be a happy one long term.

My OH when very depressed did sleep a lot and also when ill with severe anaemia. So sleeping a lot could be due to physical illness or depression.

Orbinator · 20/07/2011 13:00

Does sound like depression or OW. Do you think talking to his dad might help? It seems he may listen to him as he does obviously care for him. Maybe his dad will wake him up to the fact he is about to loose his family? Or perhaps his dad will say he's seen it coming and you can move on knowing you tried? Could be worth a shot.

Other than that I would suggest Relate or similar, but I have a feeling he will refuse it. Make it clear that it cannot go on as it is and unless you get it resolved via counselling or he opens up to you himself, you will leave him and take the kids. Maybe if he is clear about how dire the situation has got he will be more pro-active?

I hope it all works out. Selfish men are a complete PITA to live around (as it's certainly not 'with'!).

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