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Home births are irresponsible

373 replies

LadyShapes · 14/07/2011 09:05

Did anyone see the start of Lorraine at about 8.30? They were talking about what's in the news and one of the stories was about how more women should have home births. The delighful guest they had on to talk about it said that she thought home births were irresponsible and dangerous. She also said she thought natural births were a load of rubbish and she just wanted to be in hospital and have medical intervention (paraphrasing). Oh and she wouldn't have a home birth because she has cream carpets. The other guest just agreed with her, so the that was the extent of the discussion.

Is it me? AIBU to think they shouldn't discuss news stories unless the guests have some kind of informed opinion (I mean, all the infomation I have had from my midwife tells me about the benefits of home births and a natural birth as well as the risks), or they should have read more than just the headline. Or AIBU to be watching Lorraine and hoping for some kind of balanced discussion.

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Orbinator · 14/07/2011 10:42

Wildswan lets hope they stop shutting down birthing centres then!

strandednomore · 14/07/2011 10:44

It depends on the birth unit. If it is attached to a hospital with a delivery suite, theatre, obstetricians etc then fine, if someone needs that reassurance in case something goes wrong. If it is not you might as well be at home as you will get the same in a birth unit as you will at home.

Although they will clean up afterwards, and most of us don't have birth pools at home.

LadyShapes · 14/07/2011 10:44

WildSwans - Where was that? It sounds like a good compromise.

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LaWeasleyAintWeaselyAnymore · 14/07/2011 11:01

I personally would not have or advise anyone a first baby at home because you have no idea how your body will cope.

But like lots of people I am having a homebirth for my 2nd baby having had a simple uncomplicated (and in my case unusually speedy) first labour.

I would agree that being in hospital with DD also led to more interventions for me. When we arrived I was having very regular strong contractions every 3/4 minutes, but was only 1cm dilated so it was suggested we go home and come back. As soon as this was said I panicked because I knew I was well on the way (and I was, I dilated very quickly) Because I panicked I lost control of the pain and had to ask for drugs. I was even prepped for an epidural that couldn't be used as it was too late - a waste of what £800?!

I was happy with my birth, but if everything proceeds in a similar way for number 2 there is no need for the expensive of me being in hospital, and I believe I will feel more control at home and panic less.

Restrainedrabbit · 14/07/2011 11:03

Anderson RE. Anderson DA.
[Dept. of Economics, Centre College, Danville, KY 40422, USA. ]
The cost-effectiveness of home birth.
Journal of Nurse-Midwifery. 44(1):30-5, 1999 Jan-Feb.
The average uncomplicated vaginal birth costs 68% less in a home than in a hospital, and births initiated in the home offer a lower combined rate of intrapartum and neonatal mortality and a lower incidence of cesarean delivery.

HairyFrotter · 14/07/2011 11:06

Not what I was told by a hcp Leggy but even so shouldn't homebirths actually be statistically safer since all the high risk pregnancies are heavily advised to birth in hospital.

M0naLisa · 14/07/2011 11:07

each to their own, i personally think home births are irresponsible. but like i said each to their own.

HairyFrotter · 14/07/2011 11:11

If it could be guaranteed that any problems would be forseen in good time to get to the hospital I think a homebirth would be lovely - but it can't.

fatlazymummy · 14/07/2011 11:12

I had a homebirth for my 3rd child. It would have been a homebirth or 'in car birth' as it took place in rush hour. The place I live was gridlocked that morning. So really it was just as well, and completely responsible, that I had arranged for a homebirth for what I knew would be a quick and uncomplicated delivery.

Orbinator · 14/07/2011 11:13

At least if I start with a HB if there is a problem the MW call an ambulance and I get to the hospital much faster and free in comparison to being stuck in the back of a taxi in traffic...

WildSwansatCoole · 14/07/2011 11:13

The birthing unit was in St.Thomas` hospital for my daughter.

The twins were born in UCH,one a natural birth in the birthing unit there,then the other(breech) in theatre,and emergency C-section after trying to turn him did`nt work.

Many friends of mine have delivered in the birthing units attached to hospitals in London,lovely experiences,and you are discharged after 6 hours,so quick turnover,reducing cost,and emergency services on site,so safe-seems to be excellent on all fronts!Cannot understand why they are shutting them down,was`nt aware that was the case.

Orbinator · 14/07/2011 11:14

X post fatlazy!

LeQueen · 14/07/2011 11:20

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DragonAlley · 14/07/2011 11:22

National Birthday Trust research

Orbinator · 14/07/2011 11:23

Wildswan probably because I don't live in London. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a town with a population of appx 14,556 to have SOMEWHERE to give birth, other than at home?

Orbinator · 14/07/2011 11:26

Oops, wrong figures - our population in 2001 was actually 43,432!

justkeepingheadabovewater · 14/07/2011 11:26

How did you 'know' it would be a quick and uncomplicated selivery fatlazymummy?
Surely every birth is different, as every baby is? Hmm
Sad

justkeepingheadabovewater · 14/07/2011 11:27

delivery

DragonAlley · 14/07/2011 11:27

FFS, McQueen, just because women in other countries are treated worse when it comes to childbirth doesn't mean it's OK to treat them badly here.

You need to get over yourself

Riveninside · 14/07/2011 11:27

I do think homebirths are a bit irresponsible and i had one. It left dd brain damaged. We both get to live with that stupid decision for ever.

octopusinabox · 14/07/2011 11:28

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spudulika · 14/07/2011 11:31

"I wonder about the morality of tying up money and scarce resources in supporting home births"

Women who have their babies at home have a MUCH lower rate of EMCS, epidural use and assisted deliveries. Baby is less likely to end up in SCBU. Less likely to get PTSD too probably, given that this is often associated with substandard care which is less likely to occur at a homebirth.

I suspect they probably work out cheaper on the whole.

Tangle · 14/07/2011 11:32

IMO where to give birth is a personal choice - and as the woman doing the birthing you need to be comfortable with that choice. I'd just like to see women supported a little more and given a choice!

HairyFrotter
the National Birthday Trust study is the most comprehensive and robust study of the safety of HB done in the UK. Sadly it was done quite a while back now, but its still considered a good reference.

The study considered (low risk) women who were planning a HB at 36 weeks (might have been 37). Their MWs matched them for race, age, etc, as closely as possible with another woman on their books planning a hospital birth. Women who were planning a HB were considered in the "HB group", regardless of whether they then got a HB, changed their minds before labour or had to transfer in for medical reasons.

The study found that by planning a HB, women halved their chance of required intervention. Baby's born after a planned HB had higher AGPAR scores. Women required less pain relief. Infant and maternal mortality was so small in both groups that no statistical difference could be established.

So even factoring in the fact that some of those planned HB would have been emergency transfers, which you would anticipate to have poorer outcomes than if that same situation had occurred in a hospital environment, a planned HB is still at least as safe as a planned hospital birth for a low risk woman.

Scholes34
"In a hospital or birthing centre, it's much easier to ensure that the correct level of assistance is given at the right time with a number of women in different stages of labour."

And this is exactly why I like HB - to me, sharing a MW with two or three other women is increasing the risk of the situation. I felt very safe at home, partly because I was attended by a MW that I knew and trusted and who knew me - who could monitor the labour and the progression of the labour because she wasn't also trying to keep tabs on women in other rooms. I had confidence that my MW would spot a problem at a much earlier stage than it would have been picked up at hospital, just because she was there. Continuous support during labour from someone with experience has been demonstrated to improve birth outcomes.

Why on earth are we suggesting women go into hospital so that MW's can be shared around and women can be left to labour with minimal support, rather than campaigning for more MWs in an effort to reduce the number of expensive interventions?

WildSwan
"I worry that when home births were the norm,mobidity and mortality was so much higher"

That may be true - but it doesn't follow that morbidity and mortality were higher because home births were the norm. There have also been huge changes in maternal nutrition and level of ante-natal care most women in the UK today will receive as standard.

Did you know that when hospital birth started to become common, maternal mortality actually went up? Doctors weren't very good at washing their hands between examining patients (including the recently deceased) so purpureal fever was common - spread by the HCP's women were trusting to keep them safe.

octopusinabox · 14/07/2011 11:34

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thefirstMrsDeVere · 14/07/2011 11:35

Why on earth do you think they are more expensive buterbur?

Couple of midwives in and out within a few hours.

How is that more expensive than a ward full of staff and a bed and electric and food and cleaners and sheets and heating and water coolers and monitors etc etc etc?

I also wish people wouldnt bring cancer into things like some fucking trump card. Its offensive.