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Bloody W**NKing Tax credits! Or Government should I say

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Hai1988 · 06/07/2011 16:59

Just had my new tax credits award and have just found out that my DH's Working tax credits are being stopped as he has already had his lot for this year, £800!!!

My DH does not have a very well payed job at all and after rent and bills we have f**K all left and the weekly income of £140 really helped that is now just over £50.

So angry We need that extra £80 a week, I know it may not sound much to some but it did make a big difference to out life's.

Who ever voted Tory I hope your happy with yourselves that now so many family's are probably gonna struggle now.

Sorry not really an aibu but really needed to vent and wondered if anyone else is suffering with tax credits this year because of the dam government.

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Cocoflower · 07/07/2011 15:16

£15 p/h?

Someone on 30k a year only gets £10.94 an hour after tax! (£14.42 before).

That means you need to increase their pay to a minimum of £32 an hour to be fair. Who will pay for that?

How about people currently on 40k a year...

Where would it end?

Rocky12 · 07/07/2011 15:16

It staggers me that some people defend to the hilt their right not to work, to have a few children and a low paid partner (or no one) and then moan about their benefits being cut. Not taking a role because it wont allow you to do the school run.....

I think we need to get back to basics. If you CHOOSE not to work, if you CHOOSE to have children then some things wont be available to you. Just because others have them doesnt mean that you are entilted to them. We live near what is a deprived area of Outer London. Probably the young teenager single mother capital and when I pop out at lunchtime I see them all with the buggies loaded down with purchases, a mobile phone stuck to their ear having a great old time with their friends. Is a mobile phone an essential, is Sky TV essential, is a brand new buggy essential, are fags essential, is having a few nights out a week essential? Well wake up - you cannot have everything. If you want these things you might just have to consider working to afford them - not expect others to fund your CHOICE of lifestyle.

JoySzasz · 07/07/2011 15:31

The living wage jobs would be advertised as such.

Those that want a different vocation or job can also do that.

We don't value NMW workers enough...

Nobody else needs their wage to be increased,you will know that if you work for a living wage ...you will be able to do just that live

Other professions are not going to evaporate.

It would take care of those in a family where one parent wants to stay at home,and it would be a bonus if both parents did it, as childcare would be affordable on 2 living wages.

No government involvement,more power to individuals. imo :)

Rocky12 · 07/07/2011 15:34

Joy - who exactly would fund all of this? And two parents staying at home... Sorry - have I read that correctly

Cocoflower · 07/07/2011 15:38

"Nobody else needs their wage to be increased"

This is so beyond ridiculous Im speechless.

unpa1dcar3r · 07/07/2011 15:38

Years ago nurseries were subsidised by the govt. Not so now.
They tell everyone to go out to work but what are they doing to enable that? Nothing. Child care is over priced for many and it's simply not worth their while to work when most of their money is going into paying for it.
(London is not the single parent capital BTW, it's up north somewhere, Manchester I think!).
These type of discussions go around and around and never get anywhere.
Someone will always blame someone else, whetehr it's their lifestyle choice, the fact that they dared to have kids, the Govt or whoever...
Nothing will ever change until the Govt realise they need to help in some way towards childcare.
Anthony Giddens 'The Third way' type thing; we will help those who help themselves, rather than Samuel Smiles; God helps those who help themselves!
The latter seems to be the order of the day nowadays.

JoySzasz · 07/07/2011 15:39

No, I might have typed that incorrectly... not two staying at home.

One could stay home and still be able to survive,if two went then that would also benefit the individual family if they wanted that set up!

The employer would fund it if the company generated enough (Tesco etc..) and the Government could perhaps 'top-up' employers who had a small turnover.

Cocoflower · 07/07/2011 15:40

"Other professions are not going to evaporate."

Seriously? Why would any bother getting themselves into THOUSANDS pounds worth of debt, doing years of extra studying and surving on a student loan, going through exam stress, taking on all that extra responibilty when employed to be paid WORSE?

Seriously?

JoySzasz · 07/07/2011 15:43

coco you find that ridiculous because (I suspect) you think a MW is totally fair enough!

MW workers do not do all the jobs out there,there are plenty of jobs that pay much more...

Want that type of job? work hard and try to make more than 15p/h :)

It would give so much more incentive to work,if you knew your wages covered everything for your family...and you didn't have to fill in those pesky CTC forms each year :)

Rocky12 · 07/07/2011 15:48

Phew Joy -I thought you meant two parents could stay at home full funded! But honestly this isnt going to work in a million years. And the Government (as in us!) will fund it. Tbh I wouldnt be happy upping the wages of someone for no good reason. If someone wants to improve their job opps that is completely different - but not just up their wages.

And why do you think companies would fund this? I work for a very large company who have lost 20% of their workforce due the recession. Not in a month of Sundays would they agree to something like this.

JoySzasz · 07/07/2011 15:50

Coco

You are still undervaluing MW workers,and suspecting that everyone wants to do those jobs.

Want to be a Doctor? Go ahead!

It strikes me, that many people love to talk of their "little man" collecting their trash ...without giving it another moments consideration...

These people are humans and also need to live. Just because they are unable to ever become executives does not brandish them invisible or make them any less deserving of a life

Rocky12 · 07/07/2011 15:51

We are getting back to this 'what do you need to survive'. What is essential, a mobile, SKY TV, a holiday abroad, takeaways, nights out - the list goes on and on.

Personally I think we need to go back to what are basic needs for people, it seems some people sense of entitlement is out of kilter with what they choose to do lifestyle wise.

JoySzasz · 07/07/2011 15:53

Rocky no I suspect you are right...it will never wash.

I think,(if it could work though) it might fix a lot of what is wrong in the UK today:)

Rocky12 · 07/07/2011 15:53

I think bin men do one of the most important jobs around - imagine if they didnt do it. However what is the average pay of a bin man - I have heard figures of £40k plus with some overtime but please correct me if I am wrong.

JoySzasz · 07/07/2011 15:55

I don't know?

It is normally the job people quote when they want to look down their noses Grin that is why I picked it.

Rocky12 · 07/07/2011 15:56

My DB works for London Underground. Ticket collectors are earning £35k and no one is really using them anymore. LU wanted to move them to other roles - union stepped in and consequently they are sitting in offices doing next to nothing. Most of us have Oyster cards...

Rocky12 · 07/07/2011 15:59

I must admit - I wouldnt want to do, however we are not all equal. Unless we want to get to a Communist state where we are supposedly all paid the same (and it didnt work for Russia) there will be some roles that are available to you and some that are not. My BIL is always saying he wants to earn what the PM earns but he is a lazy so and so and does his hours at work and no more. He wouldnt last five minutes - he wants the money but none of the responsibility!

MugglesandLuna · 07/07/2011 15:59

£40k for a Binman. I think that is very wildly inflated. My DB works on the bin lorries and he earns just under £8 an hour. He does get overtime if he works saturdays.

JoySzasz · 07/07/2011 16:03

rocky that is interesting...:)

My DH worked for the underground (for a short spell) 10 years ago.

They were paid 17k back then.

usualsuspect · 07/07/2011 16:04

My Dp never used to be a Low paid partner until he got made redundant in his 50s and had to do shitty low paid agency work because thats all there is round here ,should I trade him in for a higher paid partner

usualsuspect · 07/07/2011 16:05

The majority of bin men are agency workers on MW

usualsuspect · 07/07/2011 16:10

Lets get back to the good old days shall we ,of living in slums with no bathrooms or heating

Oh you never lived like that eh Rocky?

Thousands did

JoySzasz · 07/07/2011 16:10

usual thanks...I had been wondering.

Nothing is cut and dry, I am sorry for your predicament -it is very similar to mine.

DoesBuggerAll · 07/07/2011 16:10

usualsuspect

You're not getting with the programme here. Don't you know that we must blame the poor for being poor. It's their fault you know.

usualsuspect · 07/07/2011 16:14

Oh yes its the poors fault the countrys fucked .with their Sky TV and sense of fucking entitlement

Not the bankers and tax dodgers and big greedy profit making companys

ITS ALL OUR FAULT

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