AIBU to wonder why any woman would identify herself as [2]

[garlicnutter]

... not a feminist?

Since I killed the old one.

Again, why is the best person almost always a white dude, of privileged origins?

chibi - it's that ol' patriarchy rearing it's ugly head again!

Oh, no, sorry, I forgot. It's because women don't want the top jobs. If they did, they'd have them obviously!

"Again, why is the best person almost always a white dude, of privileged origins?"

It's not always (although sometimes they may be), but the answer to the problem, imo, is not arbitrary quota's which would only serve to mask continuing inequality.

If you level the playing field, you would not need quotas.

How do you level the playing field? I thought we were all agreed that men and women are totally equal here in the west

This is all so confusing

"I thought we were all agreed that men and women are totally equal here in the west"

Who on this thread said that?

Men and women are not equal yet in the West, let alone most other places in the world, but I think they should be. How is that confrontational, or denying the need for change?

I'm the same - I could not have left my babies for any job or salary. My job was to be their 'mother' - I know my sons hardly noticed their dad until they were about 3 - I was their entire world and I know by being with them full-time in their formative years I have given them confidence and security.
My ds wants to spend more time with his dad now he's older, he wants to do all the boyish things I just can't do ( I would if I had to ) that's natural, and although I find it hard sometimes that I'm slipping into the background - I know an 11 year old boy would far rather be flying planes and going football with his dad than he would be with his mum.

Just the impression i had, there were some posters earlier questioning whether women were sytematically disadvantaged, i guess i misinterpreted that

Ok so how do you level the playing field, or do you need to, another poster has just said that thr high powered jobs are split evenly in her social circle, is this generally the case does anyone know?

'"Again, why is the best person almost always a white dude, of privileged origins?"

Catch-22. To get a top job, you need to be in line for it, but because of inequality, more white males from wealthy backgrounds are in line.
Pre-selection from a very early point in an individual's life.

'I could not have left my babies for any job or salary. My job was to be their 'mother' - I know my sons hardly noticed their dad until they were about 3 - I was their entire world and I know by being with them full-time in their formative years I have given them confidence and security.'

I did it the other way around, my OH was the SAHP and I went to work as economically, it made more sense. It was very hard seeing that he had an equal right to that choice and I couldn't throw a fit of the vapours and wail that he was supposed to be my salary man.

Quite HRH - I have already stated that I prefer to work than be a SAHM and next year (when I return from my second lot of maternity leave) I will probably have the option for applying for quite a big promotion (and a very good chance of getting it given that I currently deputise the position).

Alas, it is not in a FTSE 500 company, merely local government, but I really don't know whether I want it.

I am more than capable of doing it, I stand a good chance of getting it and the money would be great. I would also be one of the youngest people ever to hold that level of responsibility in my organisation. However, I really do not know if I want the stress, workload and expectations that the job will entail.

I love my current job, I'm good at it and have a great work-life balance. I can't yet work out whether it is just fear of the unknown or a genuine reluctance in wanting the position that is holding me back.

Luckily I will have some time, when the pregnancy hormones have gone and I'm no longer quite so baby focused, to think things through more clearly.

people who are angry all the time probably could do with a good shag - men included.

Stay Frosty - keep reading, the thread has moved on quite a way from those initial, reactionary statements.

Feminists recognise that women have a different bond with their babies than men do and think that society should not disadvantage women for that.

Stayfrosty - yes that's what I thought.

An absolute inundation of insults and yet, we're the ones who are mean bullies.

If my dh wasn't working or didn't earn enough I would have had to work.
Leaving my dc with their father wouldn't have been too big a deal.
He'd have loved it.

Carmina don't try to pretend that stuff is neutral. It's a sex-based insult.

a) feminists aren't angry all the time. Most of the time I'm happy and cheerful.

b) A good shag is not to be sniffed at, but why don't people suggest a work out, a run, a good swim, an aerobics session? Why d'you think that shagging in particular is the solution of choice that is always suggested for feminists (most of whom can have a shag whenever they feel like it, incidentally).

Sometimes i feel angry that in the uk there are women who do not have access to abortion, (NI) or because when women are raped here, it is v unlikely that their rapist will serve time

So you think getting laid would make me care less, or feel easier about any of that? Is that maybe kind of crass? Maybe i am overreacting and these things aren't worth getting mad about.

Mine did, it's teenagers he finds tricky. Babies were easy.

Actually HerBex - sex is the best work out you can have. It's been medically proven. An orgasm sends shock waves of loviness all around your body - the results last can last for days.

Do you think that if martin luther king had had sex more he wouldn't have been so huffy about racism

Are you serious? Can you hear yourself?