AIBU to wonder why any woman would identify herself as [2]

[garlicnutter]

... not a feminist?

Since I killed the old one.

Bum!
Sorry
this thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/1194957-Is-Ireland-correct-to-declare-war-on-boys-who-have-consensual-sex-with-their-girlfriends

I'm not saying you all believe it Dontcallmepeanut, I am saying that it has been said and I can't identify with sentiment having 2 DSs myself and one of whom who has SN and will have it a damn site (or is it sight - brain failure!!) harder than I ever had it. As far as I am concerned if you want equality you don't do it at the expense of anybody else. You raise up the downtrodden and those discriminated against, you don't push back those who have had the better end of things. That doesn't improve anybody's lot. I appreciate that the majority on the feminism threads agree with me (or vice versa since nobody died and made me head honcho) but it isn't unanimous and I can't understand why that is.

What shouing, scaredof? where? *note to self, must book eye test soon

SAF, your closing point re: equalist is my sentiment exactly. Being an equalist doesn't make you devoid of a preference... I'm a feminist predominantly, although I also support gay rights. And whatever else has me pissed off at the time... (Usually something that clashes with my mother...)

Goblin, give me an hour or so, then I'll tackle it. I'll comment on htat thread, to avoid confusion.

Thank you

I may often clash with your views, HRH, but I do agree with what you've said. To me, it sounds like you put the children before your feminist ideals.

(I'm stilll not sold on FNF, though...)

I'm calling bull of the final rant though... I give it three weeks...

I wish I had time to keep up with this thread; but sadly no. I did get as far as
Niecie's comment about boys' education. A this was one point that she made to me on the other thread, and I am not sure if she is refering to me in this new comment, but in case she is I thought I would take time to reply. Obviously all opinions are my own.

To start, I must make full disclosure: I have a DS and have a vested interest in the quality of his education. I want him to have a good education. I also have a DD and feel exactly the same. Both my children are important to me regardless of their sex.

Now for my opinion on the subject in hand, I think it is very important that both boys and girls get a good education. However, from my own experience of education (20 plus years ago) I am aware that both boys and girls face specific problems/obstacles to attaining this. As a feminist I would find myself focusing on the girls' problems, hoping that those who specialise in boys (and they do exist) would do the same for boys. I am also aware that different races face specfic problems, many of which, in my privileged status as a white woman I might not understand as well as someone who has lived/studied this situation. I would also hope then that a someone with more usesful qualifications that I would work in favour of these groups. If they were to do so, I would not dream of asking them why they weren't interested in girls "as a group" and why they were focusing on disabled Asian boys "as a group". Rather I would see their activism as a compliment to my own.

On the other thread I said that my energy is sadly finite. There are too many injustices in this world and I can only address one of them. Even as a feminist I have to choose which "feminist" issues I am going to dedicate my time to, because otherwise I wouldn't end up helping anyone.

Sorry to go on, but I do find the charge that feminists does not care about boys/men quite insulting. (And Niecie I don't mean to say that you have been insulting, I think on the other thread you were one of the people who did engage with me in debate).

dittany, the discussion was in April, but the attitudes to teenage boys still remain in many areas. I still feel the same as I did a couple of months ago, and I still feel that girls should have equality with boys, and it is still something I worry about.
I linked the entire thread rather than cherry-picking so that DCMP could make up her own mind and tell me what she thought, and I'll listen to her answers without trying to smash them back at her like a squash ball.

HRHMJOFMAGICJAMALAND Just read your post too. I'm sure we might not agree on everything but I wanted to sympathise with you for feeling that you can't do right for wrong on MN sometimes. That's why I just posted what I did.

Dittany, I understand your sentiment, which is why I've said I'll comment on the original thread. I don't wish for a "he said, she said" debate, as opinions fluctuate with experience. But as a mother to one DS (only child) it is something that struck a chord with me.

I do resent the theme that's been given off here by one or two posters that, by being a feminist, my son's views are less important. Not the case. I teach him as well as I can that everyone is equal. I wouldn't stand for him saying "you can't, because you're a girl/gay/whatever", and hope to teach him not to let anyone to turn the tables on him.

There is a false accusations board "False accusations are not rare. They are mostly deliberated by vindicative women against innocent men without providing convincing proof."

That'll be the DSK case then :o