Oh jeez - I'll repost that with paragraphs:
Milly ?People don't like the feminist section because they believe in egalitarianism and want to discuss how the rights of different people interact, rather than focus on women. I agree that it is incredibly important and a major issue in our society. Some of you are clearly believers or activists in this area. It seems odd that you don't have a section on this, or even the occasional thread. There do seem to be frequent threads on MN about poverty, race, gender, sexual orientation and disability where the most terrible remarks are made and there seems to be very little support for those groups other than that which comes from the same few people. This seems particularly the case with disability and special needs, so I do think this whole egalitarianism issue could do with a lot of discussion.?
People don?t dislike the feminist section because they are egalitarian just as egalitarians do not dislike feminism. People dislike the feminist section because of the tone and the behaviour of some posters on there. It may be down to personality clashes, misunderstandings or whatever, but it is how people feel and on this thread many people have said they feel this way ? some of whom self-identify as feminists and not egalitarians.
Egalitarians do not need their own section because the tennnants of equalism run through all aspects of life and egalitarian issues can be discussed wherever they arise. It is still more of a philosophy than political although egalitarian activism is on the increase, it is not yet a ?movement?. We do have occasional threads where egalitarianism can be discussed (such as this one) but constantly end up trying to argue our points of view with feminists who are determined to set equalism up in opposition to feminism despite the fact that there is a lot of common ground. Equalism supports feminism when it comes to gender equality, the difference is, equalists only see feminism as part of a much wider set of issues and therefore do not self-identify as feminists because for an equalist, it can feel too narrow. It is that simple ? there is nothing sinister about it.
The feminist boards would be a great place to discuss aspects where egalitarianism and feminism meet on gender equality issued, to find common ground and identify ways in which the two could work together to actually achieve something, but whenever equalism is mentioned on the feminist boards you get comments like this:
?Equalism is a term which means "Let's all pretend everyone is equal now and go into denial about the obvious inequality around us."? HerBeX ?who has admitted on this thread that she doesn?t understand what equalism actually is and from this quote clearly doesn?t.
?I tend to think that if people shy away from the word 'feminism' then it means that they're unwilling to accept that women are oppressed. Using a gender-neutral term seems like a tactic to mask the reality, iyswim.? Prolesworth ? again a blatant misunderstanding of why equalists do not usually refer to themselves as feminists.
?I think - bollocks to that.
Do you need an argument as well?..... Me too Prolesworth. It's a lot harder to say "I don't support women's liberation, I'm an equalist".
Equalist is a meaningless term that is about maintaining the status quo.? Dittany ? helpful
in the first instance and again a wilful ignorance of what people who call themselves equalists actually believe.
All quotes from the first page of this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/1155502-Feminism-is-dead-long-live-Equalism-What-do-you-think
Equalists do not want to re-brand feminism, we are not opposed to feminism (although we may not agree with some aspects of it ? but then some feminists don?t agree with each other either). We just see it as only one part of the whole picture. It is only ever feminists who set equalism up in opposition to feminism, most equalists see at least some aspects of it as helpful and useful and would like to work with feminists to achieve common goals.