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to think that this is a pretty shocking school dinner?

341 replies

anchovies · 28/06/2011 18:05

Today my boys had Caribbean style chicken with spaghetti hoops and garden peas. Pink sponge and custard. Strawberry milkshake.

£1.90 a day.

Thought there must have been some sort of mistake but have just checked the published menus and that is what they had planned for today. Only other main meal was the vegetarian option which they are not allowed (again with peas and spaghetti hoops.) Could have chosen fruit for dessert.

Mentioned it earlier to my neighbour who also has children who have school dinners and she thought it was fine as "the carbohydrate is in the spaghetti hoops".

Wrote (yet another) email to our local council but am now thinking I may be wrong?

OP posts:
MsTeak · 01/07/2011 18:10

Why would you hand a child something nice and describe it as "unhealthy food"? How bizarre. Its all jsut food. Theres no such thing as bad food, only a bad diet.

singersgirl · 01/07/2011 18:55

That's a completely reasonable reaction, pommedechocolat. I grimace at the thought of my earlier preciousness now....

SloganLogan · 01/07/2011 19:01

I can't see anything wrong with it TBH.

bubbleymummy · 01/07/2011 20:07

"the occasional cake is what we consider good habits."

The only thing we are disagreeing on is our interpretation of 'occasional'.

Timewasting. I have never claimed to be a food expert. I happen to know a bit about it because, as I mentioned earlier, I have a high metabolism and there have been times in my life when I have needed to put on weight and I know that there are healthy foods that allow you to do this - hence me pointing out alternative sources than cake! I am always happy to learn more - including the fact that we don't actually have to eat saturated fat because our bodies can produce it. It was actually a doctor that told me that we DID need to back in university days when I was a vegetarian and not eating much dairy either. This was over 10 years ago though so perhaps recommendations were different then?

We don't each much processed food (Again we may differ on what we consider 'processed' here - bread etc?) and we only eat fish a couple of times a week. I had a dairy intolerance as a child so grew up without drinking milk or eating dairy products - hence doctor's (obviously misplaced!) concern about me in university. The boys seem to have inherited this so they don't drink milk either and only have cheese and yoghurt occasionally too. When I was pointing out alternative sources of fat/high energy foods earlier I included them because MOST people do eat them regularly. I was trying to show that they already have them in their diet without having to eat sweets etc...

I'm really not sure what you consider 'one-dimensional' about my understanding. In any case, you have re-affirmed my point about people eating too much saturated fat by pointing out that we don't actually need to consume any. My point stands from earlier - if you have to limit your intake of saturated fat - what is it better to cut out? Meat, dairy or cake/chocolate? Most people will eat those things every day which is clearly too much. So if you eat lots of what is not actually that good for you how exactly does that make a healthy diet?I bet the majority of people actually eat more meat and dairy than they do fruit, veg, wholegrain and legumes and then put cake and other 'treats' on top of that.

I find it sad that so many people seem to associate joy and pleasure with unhealthy food. Yes, of course it is enjoyable but I also get a lot of enjoyment out of healthy food. I love fruit, I love salads. If I go out for a meal I would rather have a starter than a dessert. I grew up not having dessert after dinner and I haven't become a dessert fiend. Nor do I binge on sweet things even though I didn't have them as a child. I find it sad that having these things every day is what is considered 'normal' rather than appreciating good food as a whole.

singers, the point you made about age is important and I wanted to touch on silly's point about restricting foods. At what age does that actually kick in? Do you really think that not giving a 2 year old chocolate is going to have an impact on him for life? Will he start bingeing on it as a teenager because he was denied it for those first few years? I am firmly of the belief that while they don't know anything about it there is no point in giving it to them. DS1 is obviously old enough to know what it is and he does have it occasionally. It is not banned, just not given regularly and he doesn't expect it or demand it when we go to a shop. I realise that this will change as he gets older but I am going to take advantage of it right now because I know he doesn't need it.

Honestly, the only thing we differ on is the frequency we give sweet things and (probably) the age at which we start giving them. I haven't banned anything but I am under no illusion that they are good/necessary etc. I am bringing my children up the way I was brought up - limited sweet things and no dessert after every dinner because I know it worked out fine for me. Most of you are probably bringing up your children the way you were brought up because you feel it worked out fine for you. I don't think there's anything wrong with that until you start trying to justify the sweet things for their nutritional value or criticising others/calling them smug/controlling/obsessive or orthorexic Hmm because they don't feel the same way.

bubbleymummy · 01/07/2011 20:10

msteak - what does that 'bad diet' consist of if 'bad' food doesn't exist. You are the one using 'bad' here, not me.

Also, where have I said that I would hand my child something and tell them it's unhealthy? You certainly have some bizarre thoughts about teaching children about food!

SarfEasticated · 01/07/2011 20:43

I haven't read the thread - sorry - but op that lunch menu looks gross to me, spaghetti hoops and custard are two of my pet hates
no idea what my dd has for lunch at nursery, as long as the majority of her food is decent, I don't mind what she has for lunch 3 days a week.
At the junior school she will go they offer tasting evenings so we parents can see what they serve up :) Genius idea IMO.

MsTeak · 01/07/2011 20:53

you said "of course my children have unhealthy food". Whereas mine don't, sine I give them perfecyly "healthy" cake.

My ideas on teaching children about food is very simple. I tell them "eat food, not too much, the majority of it unprocessed. exercise." Thats it.

bubbleymummy · 01/07/2011 20:59

What is it about your cake that is healthy exactly or do you think it is appropriate for a child to think that cake is healthy just as fruit and vegetables are healthy. Do you not make any distinction?

bubbleymummy · 01/07/2011 21:00

Missing '?' at end of first sentence.

MsTeak · 01/07/2011 21:04

the only distinction is quantity. The same weight of cake and bananas or broccoli is not the finest plan. But my point is that "healthy" is a meaningless term. It has no objective value. You can't start bandying around grams of sat fat like you started with, as its all meaningless.

It really isn't complicated though. Everyone just tries to make it so by adding a load of bollocks and guidelines in.

bubbleymummy · 01/07/2011 21:14

Ok I'm not really understanding your logic here. What exactly is meaningless? Are you saying there isn't a limit to the amount of sugar/saturated fat you should consume? (what I was getting out by pointing out the RDAs earlier.)

bubbleymummy · 01/07/2011 21:15

getting at*

bruffin · 01/07/2011 21:32

YOu never understand anything bubblymummy. It is very simple, there is no such thing as bad food. Fruit is healthy in your eyes, but if you only ate fruit and nothing else you would probably make yourself quite ill, the same with eating just meat or fish or peas or nuts. Eating just cake and nothing else everyday is not good for you, but eating a small piece of cake every day probably won't do you any harm if you do a lot of excercise. It's all about having a sense of proportion.

bubbleymummy · 01/07/2011 21:42

Again with the exercise...sigh...you'll never understand that it isn't all about getting fat bruffin.

Is fruit not healthy in your eyes? Where have I said you should only eat fruit/veg? I've only pointed out (several times now) that you don't NEED to eat cake and that eating it every day means you're prob getting more than your RDA of sat fat if you also eat meat/dairy products. If you want to eat it everyday anyway then go ahead. You could get by quite well on a diet of fruit, vegetables, peas and nuts btw. Many vegetarians do!

bubbleymummy · 01/07/2011 21:43

"YOu never understand anything bubblymummy."

Got to love those generalisation btw. :)

MsTeak · 01/07/2011 22:12

its meaningless as its a different guideline in every country, total experts in the field totally disagree about fat contents etc. You know the vast majority of people with high cholesterol don't haev it because of diet? Not many people do know that. Much of the official advice given is out of date years ago.
And its meaningless because everyone is different sizes, shapes, ages, genetic make-ups, fitness levels...theres no figure you can come up with to fit everyone, and you couldn't find away to accuretle convey it anyway.

Like I sai, you don't need any of that crap anyway, you just need a bit of common sense. Eat real food, not too much of it, everything in moderation, and exercise. Throw the rest of the shite out.

MsTeak · 01/07/2011 22:13

and fruits, veg, peas and nuts would be a terrible diet. Especially for children, it would be appalling.

Omigawd · 01/07/2011 22:23

Gawd is this still going :)

@bubbly the problem with believing "best dietary advice" is that it keeps on changing and it differs by country.

sillybillies · 01/07/2011 22:41

I agree, is this still going on. Bubbley, I don't think people are going to agree just because you keep repeating your arguement.

BimboNo5 · 01/07/2011 23:05

We've just come back off holiday where we (including my Shock 6 and 4 year old) have eaten no end of sponge/cheesecake/jelly/ice cream type puddings! Bubbley I can hear you brain exploding from here! There are doomed to a lifetime of coronary heart disease and its ALL MY FAULT!!!!

lou33 · 01/07/2011 23:27

I don't have a problem with the sponge cake and custard, it is the spaghetti hoops that bother me.

Grumpygils · 01/07/2011 23:38

Coming v late to the thread, but have read all of it Grin.

I am really not clear why the OP is getting such a pasting. Is it that revolutionary to suggest that a sugary pudding, plus a sugary drink 5 days a week is a bad idea? There is lots out there to back up her viewpoint.

This for example.

sillybillies · 02/07/2011 00:04

Grumpygils - its not really the OP getting a pasting!

Grumpygils · 02/07/2011 00:40

Oh yeah Blush. Still don't undertand the hostility to someone trying to eat well though. Just sayin.

bubbleymummy · 02/07/2011 01:41

Thanks Grumpy :) don't really understand it myself!

MsTeak - why would it be appalling? What do you think is missing? Apart from cake obviously :) It was actually Timewasting who mentioned it earlier anyway as being a good diet so maybe it would be better to take it up with her.

Re cholesterol, yes, I did know that some people have high cholesterol that isn't due to their diet. My Dad is one of them. Still not sure why you're arguing over RDAs. If you think they're too low and don't allow you enough cake maybe you contact the FSA and let them know. I'm sure they'd be very interested to hear your opinions.

Bimbo, it's all in your mind. Why on earth would I care what you decide to feed your children? They aren't mine. Feel free to stuff them as full of saturated fats as you want.

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