aibu to think that all those striking on thursday are being selfish and greedy?

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And they should be thankful that they even have a job?

In a day where thousands of people are unemployed and living in poor conditions surely these teachers should be thankful they even have a job!

Many parents are having to take leave, some unpaid I presume the effect that it will have on family's is ridiculous.

...and all this about teachers working harder than those in the private sector is complete BS.

...and all this about teachers working harder than those in the private sector is complete BS

I imagine they work harder than some but not as hard as others. You've been a teacher, have you?

ilovesooty - yes, probably a 'school target setting day'. They also have days off for 'open' days

INSET days are working days for teachers.

In my last school the HT closed the school 40 minutes early for Open Evenings and teachers had to work through (often without meals) to set up for an evening which went on till 10pm. Other HTs are more generous, I believe, and close for half a day to enable this work to take place.

ilovesooty - yes, probably a 'school target setting day

In which case, in all fairness, the teachers are working all day but cannot be available to teach.

Ilovesooty - they can catch up one day probably although it isn't just the teachers doing the catching up, is it, it is the children too. They are the ones who have to put in the extra work.

My point was referring to those who say the strikes will continue on into the autumn. There will come a point when they won't be able to catch up and when it will become impossible to cover all the curriculum if this carries on for days.

I am unsupportive of the teachers but it isn't to do with childcare because I work from home and both my children are at school anyway. One school has no striking teachers and the other only 4 out of 12 classes are affected. I don't support them because they are wasting their time, behaving unprofessionally (no other profession strikes as I have said before) and they are storing up resentment and bad feeling if they continue. They do themselves no favours.

YABU. Teachers train for years, pay into their pension, and are now being told they will have to work longer (retirement age is moved), pay more into their pension and receive less money when they retire.

If a day's strike changes that, I'm all for it.

YANBU.

lesson - of course one day's strike isn't going to bring about a change of heart from the government.
This will have to be an ongoing industrial action.

How supportive will people be then?

PMSL at Lessons post

" Teachers train for years(PGCE is 1 year actually),pay into their pension and are now being told they will have to work longer,pay more into their pension and receive less money when they retire"

That is exactly what every single private sector worker has had to except yonks ago. Wake and smell the coffee teachers. Stop trying to maintain a gilded retirement for yourselves whilst the rest of us have to put up and shut up,it's both selfish and greedy.

OP yadnbu.

"In which case, in all fairness, the teachers are working all day but cannot be available to teach"

You're a bit defensive, but I wasn't criticising the teachers?

These odd days are just a nuisance for us. One extra strike day dooesn't make much difference.

Milamae
PGCE is post graduate study (clue is in the title) so in fact it's a minimum of three years' study to become a teacher - or 4 if you do a PGCE

What else can they do?

You're a bit defensive

Apologies: I didn't mean to be. It doesn't help though if your son hasn't been sufficiently well informed and comes home describing it as a "study day". If there are 5 INSET days (which should be published early on in the year) there shouldn't be much on top of that, so it shouldn't be that hard to plan for (unless there's something I missed here).

Oh, and the 5 INSET days came out of teachers' holidays in the first place, though I appreciate the odd days appear more disruptive than 5 days in a block.

Eric fully aware of that I have a BEd as I'm an ex teacher.My dp has 2 X degrees,sister has 2 X degrees. Plenty of people in the private sector have degrees and get paid less/the same, have less holidays,fuck all pension and no job security.

My point is teachers do not train for "years" more than plenty of other sections of the community. There are plenty of jobs which people train in for years and don't get degrees at all doesn't make them any less worthwhile.

Lessons they can poke up with it like everybody else. We're all living longer.

Our children will be working longer than us,paying more for their own pension,getting less oh and funding teachers pensions too.

I presume the effect that it will have on family's is ridiculous.

The above is what the OP wrote. Note the punctuation error. Clearly not well taught herself, maybe this is why she is being v unreasonable. In my view, the mere fact that not many people have secure final salary pensions does not mean that such pensions should be taken away from the public sector without consultation. Thisis in effect an attempt to make a unilateral change to terms and conditions of employment. Yes, the strike day will invonvenience me and others and I personally would probably not strike, but woudl vote wiht my feet to another job. Teachers will find this hard to do as pay in independent sector is pretty much the same and also they have teh same pension scheme.They do work hard, but not necessarily harder than in provate sector. I dislike the way this government is bullying public sector workers, both by actions and by words in the press. Change in terms of pensions may be necessary to deal with financial issues, but not sure if this is the best way for it to be effected.

DS1 (year 10) is home DS2 (year 6) in at school.

DS1 is planning a day at Thorpe park. DS2 is not impressed....

YABVU.

Imagine your DD or DS at their worst, and then times it by 30.

They need good pensions. They deserve good pensions.

They have the opportunity to not just put up and shut up. They are using the union as a big voice and I think that most people would do the same if they had the opportunity. If not and they put up and shut up, then they are indeed very self less and putting the country before their personal needs, which is honorable.
They can strike, they are. I support them.

Teachers can have their own pension - they do not have to be in the TPS - when you sign up to the TPS it does say things can change.... will be interesting to see how many leave if when the changes go through.

Union reckons 50% will leave - get real.....

YABU

Thing is, if no one ever stood up for themselves and spoke out, then workers would be in a far bigger mess than this by now.

Teachers are also not the only people to strike. Strange really 0 there are many threads on Mn about striking teachers. I started a thread about Vrgin pilots vioting to strike - about 5 people responded. Wonder why?

Hmmm - is it because the school strike affects you, but the pilot one doesn't?

So, this isn't about whether we support teachers or not, it is more to do with if it inconveniences parents???

I am suspecting the latter is the case for many many people.