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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think that you can either have a clean, tidy and uncluttered house OR happy children but not both?

576 replies

GreenTeapot · 23/06/2011 11:10

Or can you manage both? How do you do it?

OP posts:
Hullygully · 24/06/2011 11:48

Oh yeah, sorry GetOrf...what was I thinking?

You filthy messy HOORS

betterwhenthesunshines · 24/06/2011 12:03

Some have said that's it's instinctive - you either are tidy, or you aren't. Dh is tidy ( he often 'tidies' in the kitchen while I am cooking so ingredients disappear back into the cupboards before I've had a chance to use them!). I'm not, I live with piles of stuff. Party it's because I have more on my 'to do ' list at home than he does and partly it's because I never finish a job and properly tidy it away.

It's not instinct. It's habit. Apparently it takes 6 weeks to change a habit, and I'm working on it. Then I can just be an instinctive tidy person :o

I'm quite looking forward to it as I do think it will make like less frantic.

alemci · 24/06/2011 12:06

It is really difficult. I get stressed out about the mess constantly. My house is clean but there are clutter spots.

It is very difficult to have a balance unless you have a large house with plenty of storage.

AbsDuCroissant · 24/06/2011 12:15
JarethTheGoblinKing · 24/06/2011 12:17

"The thing about housework (and I fail to see how the feminist angle fits in also) is that actually it is really not a good thing to wait until the kids are in bed/out to do it.
Children need to see adults tidying and cleaning. It shows them that there is no magic fairy who comes and does it, and that a house takes work to make it run smoothly"

Totally agree northernrock

MildlyMadMum · 24/06/2011 12:32

Ok people..to those of you who have it sorted, good luck to you... for those who don't ( & have constantly tried & worked hard too, but failed... please do not feel inferior)... it depends on so many things...you, your child, your partner, your life circumstances..your home, your storage in your home, if you have a good support network, if you have a healthy or unwell child).. We are all different.
When I had my first child much to my surprise, I took to it like a duck water, although I was not a naturally maternal person.. I had a husband on nights, no family support, my child was very poorly & never slept through the night untill he was 3, BUT & its a big but! I had the energy ... also & my house was set up ready for our first child..he was planned & I was 30 when i had him.. however i had a friend on her second child... you know one of those nice but slightly hyper demented women who can't stand still for too long, who would knock for me at 8 in the morning to take me here there & everywhere, I did go cos, although not a morning person.. I had become so because of my child & I thought it was normal when you have a baby to be up with the larks, after all, .. I hadn't been a mother before... but I did eventually start to feel like a failure...cos I didn't want to be talking to people at 8.30 about their childrens advances that defy human science. or about what super stars there children were.. I didn't know then that it wasn't normal to sleep for only an hour or too anight.. cos every mother apparent had a worse child.

I had my 2nd child 3 years later... he was the most.. complacent child ever.. slept throught the night.. I could put him down & he just sat there happy smiling & contented... I remember my freind telling me how lucky I was.. none of her children had been like that..( although to be hosnest she seemed to control them pretty well with some devious means LOL!... I laughed & said I had been repaid for how difficult things had been with my first child .. he had many health problems but the most serious was was diagnosed as asthmatic as an under one year old.. which apparently is very unsusal.. we had 2 near misses with him where came very close to death the doctors told us.

Sadly as I breathed a sigh of relief for the placidness of my second child... his developement didnot go so well he could talk at 3 & after many years of tests & appointments at Gt Ormond st he was diagnosed as severe Aspergers

My first child is now 17 & my second child 13... & now I don't have the energy... but i look back on those years when they were young & it was a joy to look after them... & I realise I enjoyed doing it & I had the control for want of a better word over my children to keep them healthy & happy... more than I ever realised... Now they are teenagers.. they seem to have lost the ability wash, keep clean to even put there dirty pants in the laundry basket... Ok i hear you say.. they are old enough that its their problem... yes 13 & 17 can seem like an independant age when yours are babies.. but if your child turns up in dirly clothes its the mother fault & you will still feel as guilty as you would if your 3 year old was the smell kid in the school.. so you still do the things for them that they cant or wont do themselves... its your home & you don't want it to deteriorate... so you jsut keep going... even though back in the day you thought by now you'd be all sorted... mothers should be supportive of each other..just as you find something easy someone will find it very hard & vice versa... MUM'S BE KIND TO ONE ANOTHER!... Stop judging & preaching...& trying to out do each other... go on ! give it ago

maggiepy · 24/06/2011 12:36

If my house is totally tidy its bad sign - something has to be really bothering me to get me to take my mind off doing other things. I keep it clean and tidy (ish) with minimum input and put most energy into the important things.

LieInsAreRarerThanTigers · 24/06/2011 12:42

Some people are naturally tidy, some have to work at it, and some don't care! I am not a natural but have worked on it, however get disillusioned when I appear to be the only one in the house who is working on it!
DH likes certain areas - the ones he wants to use - 'tidy' - that is only his mess there and noone else's!

I have established storage systems and areas but neither he nor the dc put anything away after use unless I nag them. DD is particularly bad and should know better at 11 - she is about the untidiest person I have ever met and it is a constant battleground...is it really worth it?

MIL is obsessed with tidiness and has always put away kids' pens etc when I prefer them to be easily accessible for spontaneous creativity. Her house is however a health hazard, and if you walk around barefoot or in socks you will see the evidence very quickly!
My mum is an absolute clutterbug, with barely a surface visible, (and my dad has always managed to have paperwork strewn over several rooms). She at least keeps things relatively hygienic, though!

The children never look forward to going to grandma's, (MIL) as it's 'so boring' and they get nagged about being messy (worse than at home!)
They love going to Granny's, even though I have begun to fret about the different Lego sets being mixed up...

So I conclude...I don't have any answers!

emmanumber3 · 24/06/2011 12:42

I've read the first page of posts & am now going to stop reading due to the sudden onset of depression Sad.

I live (most of the time) in a comfortable, clean, tip Blush.

Glitterknickaz · 24/06/2011 12:56

tbh all I want to do in between looking after my lot is flake out (and my fatigue levels are being checked out by the GP) but tbh if DD is up until 2am wheezing then DS2 is up at 4 then I'm just permanently shattered.

I sit here bleary eyed at random times.... I just can't bring myself to even look at the state my house has become. It depresses me. Thing is it's got to the state where it needs major tackling, if it was just a case of keeping it up then I probably could do that but it's gone past that.

Plus as I'm tidying one part of the room the kids are on the other part I've just done trashing it again.... (I can't go to another room and leave them unsupervised, I even have to use the downstairs loo with the door open).

When DH worked I used to have a cleaner.... can't do that now.

Glitterknickaz · 24/06/2011 12:56

Kids are happy though

LeQueen · 24/06/2011 13:02

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QuintessentialShadow · 24/06/2011 13:02

Have baked 2 cakes and a plate full of cupcakes for my goddaughters confirmation tomorrow. ds1 (9) went to the shop on his own to buy bananas, almond shavings and strawberries for the baking. He then emptied the dishwasher and put the clean cups away, and tidied the living room. WHILE complementing me that i am the best cakebaker in the world.

Win Win.

Glitterknickaz · 24/06/2011 13:05

I'm not artistic/bohemian.
I'm just exhausted, and i'm just existing, not living.

GetOrf · 24/06/2011 13:07

"If people can't be arsed to Hoover, tidy up, wash floors...then to be honest, I don't give a monkey's...

But, I do get annoyed when they try and disguise their chaos/messiness as some sort of symbol of creative/spiritual superiority."

Absolutely. And then try and make out that their way is infinitely superior to those who like cleanliness, and that their children are happier than those clean freaks who of course are as thick as bricks, have no flair or style, and live in identikit beige boxes. Hmm

Glitterknickaz · 24/06/2011 13:11

I don't have people over because I find the state of my house so humiliating.
I don't think I'm superior though. Generalisations, much?

Minkymum · 24/06/2011 13:13

Lequeen. You seem very angry and rude. Perhaps you should put the hoover down.
Children aren't "Picasso" (of course he was a child prodigy - couldn't figure out if you were being ironic or dunderous), but that doesn't mean that their ideas aren't better than yours. Independent, creative play will pay dividends in later life. I write, paint and teach for a living and I can spot the kids who are concerned about the clean up before they start. This anxiety has not come from them. I'm sure this attitude will have no bearing on your own children, who are clearly not Picasso, as you've so enthusiastically asserted.

GetOrf · 24/06/2011 13:15

Generalisations - if you want to look at generalisations just read the OP.

droves · 24/06/2011 13:18

Minkymum , wtf ????

Lequeen is funny ! not rude !

Its called wit .

Cocoflower · 24/06/2011 13:18

Well I am artistic (my degree was design and my career pre dc was design, my career post dc creative too)

However what drives me as an artisitc person is things being visually beautiful- so mess and clutter is not part of the agenda.

Joekate · 24/06/2011 13:19

I have actually taken two days annual leave next week to tackle the mess that is our house. I find it impossible to get tidy when the kids are around (although my DD loves polishing and if I give her a duster and Mr Sheen she's as happy as larry - I'll leave the living room for her (she's 4)) and working full time, once I come home and make the tea, I haven't the energy for anything else. It depresses me when I look round my house and all I see is clutter and mess. So, I'm going to gut the place before the holidays. This is my mantra!!

ssd · 24/06/2011 13:20

I just can't understand how some of you don't have clean and tidy homes, I would never let my house get into a dirty state, its nothing worse than shocking Shock
of course my kids are all at school and i have a daily cleaner and an enormous house with tons of rooms for storage space, all the children have separate playrooms (they tend to make a mess together so play alone, much tidier I find) and usually they go to grans every weekend so they can mess up her house and leave mine pristine like it should be.

dirty cows you lot, don't know how I manage to lower myself to converse with you, might have to go back to www.patronisingshite.com

ssd · 24/06/2011 13:22

and I know my kids are happy living in a clean home, the nanny told me

GetOrf · 24/06/2011 13:23

All the 'patronising shite' on here is in response to the VERY condescending kack in the OP which effectively states 'if you have a tidy house your children won't be as happy as that of an untidy person'.

If you can't take it, don't dish it out (generally).

I have nowhere said that my dd is happier than children who have lived in messy houses. I am not stupid enough to make such a presumption.

LouMacca · 24/06/2011 13:27

My Mum bought me a little plaque for my kitchem - 'Dirty dishes' 'Messy floor' 'Happy kids' I was a bit offended tbh! My kids are happy but my floor is not messy and my dirty dishes go straight in the dishwasher! Grin

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