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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

..to tell this student midwife to back off! Long rant warning!

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deepbluewave · 15/06/2011 10:06

At my 39 week MW app. there was a SMW, I had met twice, present. She asked how I was and asked for a favor. As a nurse, I had an inkling, it would be about writing an essay on me. She said she had to write an essay on ante-natal care and as I had moved hospital trusts mid pregnancy, she thought she could base it on the difference in notes. I said, yes immediately, didnt mind at all!

She then said, it would involve coming to my house for a chat, pre and post labor- I dont really mind that, chance for a rant...but then said she would be present at labor. I asked " what if I go into labour in the middle of the night?"
She said, "call me- Ill be there" and then put a note on my file, asking the ward to call her when in labour.
I called my DH on the way home and he said, he wasnt really 'feeling it' and by this point, I wasnt either. I dont mind students being present at birth, but I wasnt sure to what extent she actually meant.
She came round the next day and I vowed to be assertive, to ask her straight and tell her how we felt. I asked how this works, as it was our first baby, we would like it to be just us two- sje did NOT take the hint, and sold herself even more- for which she said-

" This will be really good for you, as you will get 121 care- I can be there as much as you want, all the time- if your DH needs a break, I can sit with you and if your on the ward and DH had to go home, I cant sit and talk you through the pain" She then told me a storey of how good she was with a patient, who in the end only wanted her there and not her family and because of her expertise-needed no pain intervention!
She then spent 90 minutes at my house, telling me about her DH, DC, 30 up coming birthday- saying, she felt if I was going to open up- it was only right she should!?????????????????????????? I couldnt give a shit!
Then she said her friend works on mat ward, and I should request her for care!!! How can I do that, if she is already caring for a patient- I wouldnt do that in a million years!
After she left, I stuck my own note on my file, asking the hosptial to ask me, when she should be called.
At my next MW appt, she saw this- and asked why I had put it on my notes- I told her it was our first baby and I didnt want to watched all the way through. My MW explained she would only be shadowing the MW who cares for me....fair enough- but this is one pushy FIRST YEAR- yes FIRST year student! She was even feeling my belly when at home and asked if I wanted her to teach DH how to feel for baby!!! Is this right????

Anyway- lat night, she text asking if anything was happening (now 41 wks) and what time my next MW appoitment is- I told her 16pm, and she replied-
" oh, if I wasnt at Uni, I would offer to come with you!" I dont want her to come with me! I want her to back off- I only agreed she could write an essay on me!!!! Now I feel like she is my fucking partner or something. Im so close to loosing it with her and dont want the stress when Im in labour..

Im not seeing my normal MW today (so she told me) so who do I talk to, what do I say, without making it awkward for both of us, when in labour!
AIBU????????

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deepbluewave · 15/06/2011 12:39

Oh my god- I just wrote out loads and then lost it all!!!!!!
So annoying!!!!
Thank you all so much for support- I have been worrying it is just my hormones making me a mardy cow!

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deepbluewave · 15/06/2011 12:42

Yes, I never consented to texting, but she took my number, when she was arranging to come to my house.
She text me AM and PM yest, to see if anything was happening...thought that was a bit much to.o- and I find myself being very blunt with her...not me AT ALL...
You know, for what ever she is writing about- she has only asked my what my thoughts were on my care so far- all I said, was that it was very leaflet based and wishy washy- the rest of the time, was spent showing me pictures of her house!!!!!!

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sprinkles77 · 15/06/2011 12:49

YANBU. Yes, all trainee health care professionals need experience with real patients. (been there, done that). One of the things they need to learn is appropriate interpersonal skills. You could have a very useful role to play in teaching her appropriate boundaries. It is very commendable that you agreed originally to help her, and it's possible that you could gain too. I suggest that you if practical, before the birth, have a very honest word with her about how you feel and what you consider appropriate behaviour. Perhaps explain that everyone feels differently, and that her skills as a clinician will be enhanced by being able to adjust her bedside manner accordingly. Tell her you want to help her, but she must not make you feel uncomfortable, and that having a baby is one of those times where you and your family take centre stage, not the medical team. It's about your needs not hers. Warn her that if she cannot commit to this, or demonstrates at any stage that she won't, you will immediately ask her to leave and she will not be invited back. Maybe write her a note and get DH's input. If she's really clever she will not only take heed, but record it as a learning experience and be able to demonstrate to her assessors how she has progressed in this area.

Esian · 15/06/2011 12:49

She does sound very unprofessional. I'd pull out now, tell the mw you feel uncomfortable with it and very pressured so no longer want to be part of it. It will be slightly awkward for 5 minutes then you can just forget about it. You'll never see the smw again and you really don't need any added stress at 41 weeks pregnant!

ILoveYouToo · 15/06/2011 12:51

Insomnia!! "For many people there is not a "choice of hospital" in any real sense. Or an option to choose one that isn't a teaching hospital."

DeepBlue "I booked into my hospital, as it was local, the nearest to my home for me and family and the only one I know my way round- not because I expected to be a lab rat."

I was in a London mindset, where you have a choice of local hospitals. You are absolutely right, of course, that many people don't have that choice. I take back that comment.

DeepBlue I think the bottom line is that if you don't feel comfortable with her, then don't have her there. As I said, she sounds at best insensitive, and at worst overbearing. I probably wouldn't have the guts to ring her/talk to her either. Telling her straight would probably be the best thing for her in the long run, but it would be stressful and unpleasant for you. Maybe a text saying something like "DH and I feel that we want my labour to be as intimate an experience as possible, with just us and the MW present. Thank you for your offers of support, but I don't feel able to participate in your study at the moment. Good luck with your studies." And maybe mention to the MW that you felt a bit crowded and pressured?

ILoveYouToo · 15/06/2011 12:51

Sorry Insomnia11, not Insomnia!! ! Grin

ILoveYouToo · 15/06/2011 12:56

honeyandsalt We are in agreement. As I said, in my training, approaching a woman about caseloading her was a fairly big deal; there was lots of information and time to decide given, and rightly so. This toe in the door approach was inappropriate and insensitive.

deepbluewave · 15/06/2011 13:06

Ill speak with this new MW today and ask her advice.
MY appt is at 16pm,,,then Im having tea at folks- Ill update on here tomorrow and let you know how well I handled it!!!

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deepbluewave · 16/06/2011 10:01

UPDATE- for anyone who cares!
I saw THE nicest MW and THE nicest SMW yesterday- I chickened out of saying anything, on my way up to the GP's, but the opportunity arose- so I tuck it.
I explained, how I felt and they both said, that the first years assignment on ante-natal care, has NOTHING to do with labour and birth and ST should not of assumed she could be present. I dont have to have her there at all and she can actually take everything she needs from my notes alone and a chat after baby is born. MW said she would tell my MW how I was feeling and that I feel she is being pushy and out for her experience alone.
Im due to be induced on Sunday- SMW text last night, so I told her what was happening, but she made no arrangements to be present. She will prop be waiting for me when I get there!!!!!
Ill leave it in her court, but think I may text her Sunday, on my way in, and say I would prefer it if it was a family event only. Is a shame, cos any other girl, like the one I saw yesterday, would be fine, but she has handled it all wrong in my eyes.

On a good note- had my bloody show at 5am today!!!! Was painful- wasnt expecting that!

Ways to induce labour- 9,067- have a late debate about Politics and then jump up suddenly to let cat out!

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deepbluewave · 16/06/2011 10:02

? tuck it???? took sorry

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LRDTheFeministDragon · 16/06/2011 10:04

Oh, I'm so glad to hear you got it sorted out! It's good to know the midwife agreed with you too - sounds like this woman was very pushy!

Best of luck from now on ... hope it's not too long! Smile

honeyandsalt · 16/06/2011 10:07

Hooray!

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 16/06/2011 10:12

Sounds like a good result, you're instincts were right she was being pushy.

Looks like things are starting to move, good luck for the rest of the week - have you had a mad urge to clean the entire house yet?

VeronicaCake · 16/06/2011 10:14

That sounds like a good result. Hurry up and arrive DeepBlue's baby! The weather is very nice out here.

ILoveYouToo · 16/06/2011 10:35

I'm glad you were able to speak to an understanding MW about this; hopefully she'll be able to feed back to the student or to a lecturer/mentor MW who can have a word about boundaries.

Best of luck with your labour; come back and update us. Smile

I think you were joking when you said you bet she'll be lying in wait..... but I wouldn't be surprised, based on what you've said. I think your idea of texting her beforehand is a good one, as you won't want to be dealing with that whilst you're in labour if she just turns up claiming you'd agreed to her being there.

StayingDavidTennantsGirl · 16/06/2011 11:25

I'm glad your midwife was helpful, and that you won't have to have this pushy student at your birth - and I have my fingers crossed (makes typing a tad difficult) for you to have a swift and easy labour.

deepbluewave · 16/06/2011 13:28

Ah, thank you everyone- Im so happy I know this waiting is finally coming to the end!
Thanks for all your support- it really helped me make my mind up!!

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Esian · 16/06/2011 17:48

That's great news Deepblue Smile

Good luck on Sunday. Please can we have an update of how it all goes [nosey]

CrapolaDeVille · 16/06/2011 18:43

Woo hoo, Good luck OP....p[erhaps you won't be waiting until Sunday to meet your baby!!

SauvignonBlanche · 16/06/2011 18:52

Good luck! Smile

pigletmania · 16/06/2011 19:20

keep us updated. However, I feel that you should not have texted her back it would only encourage her.

stoatie · 16/06/2011 19:34

Glad you have sorted it - best wishes for forthcoming event- look forward to another update - announcing your new arrival!

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mree · 19/06/2011 13:56

Good luck with the birth, hopefully this message is too late and you're sitting with your beautiful new dc by now! Re: the SMW, she should NOT, definitely NOT, be texting you!!! I'm a nurse, and did case studies of various patients in various clinical settings during my training. I would never even DREAM of contacting a patient outside of work, or inside of work for reasons not directly relating to their care. In fact, I would view the taking of a patient's telephone number outside the clinical area as inappropriate use and storage of a patient's confidential information! She will learn the right and wrong way to do things as she progresses through her training, but the contacting you by text thing NEEDS to be mentioned to her supervising MW as this is the kind of thing that could get her in BIG TROUBLE later in her training or career.

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