To wonder why being un-pc is seen as something to celebrate?

[magicmummy1]

yes, yes, we've all heard the stories about pc gorn mad, but we don't usually describe someone as "un-pc" just because they talk about Christmas or because they sing bah bah black sheep.

The people who are usually described by this term tend to be those who have made remarks that others consider to be offensive. Am I alone in wondering why a propensity to upset and offend people is considered by some to be such a virtue? Please enlighten me! What is so great about being "un-pc"?

(and yes, this is a thread about a thread, in case anyone is wondering)

People who are proud of being un-PC don't understand what political correctness is. They see political correctness as councils banning Christmas and other Daily Mail fallacies. I see political correctness as, well, not being an arsehole.

As others have said, the 'PC gone mad' idea was largely made up by the media, and endlessly repeated in the form of idiotic 'Winterval' and 'Baa Baa Black sheep' stories, the vast majority of which are urban myths.

It has an insidiously nasty effect though, which is to undermine the real advances that have been made over the past 40 years in the way that women, LGBT people, disabled people and people from ethnic minorities are treated.

"Political correctness gorn mad" is often code for "look: coons and pooves are getting above their station."

I do agree that there is possibly some passive-aggressive stuff going on, often white or hetero people being offended on behalf of minorities that aren't offended. It might be the same sort of people who massively over-interpret HSE guidelines and gleefully tell me that I can't plug in my own computer and have to wait for a 'qualified' person to do it.

I find those that scream "oh fgs this is just wolly liberal/dogooder/pc nonesense" and those who claim everything is pc gone mad are just looking for an excuse to be rude and bigoted.

It is not polictial correctness not to deliberatly offend people

bigots will always find an excuse to be bigots

Mamaz0n - you're quite right, the people who say stuff like "Ooooooh, you can't call it a WHITEBOARD anymore, that's not PC" are usually racists. (sadly, we don't have blackboards because it's not 1982 in our office.)

They're doing that weird passive-aggressive shit where they actively reinforce perceived "rules" that they profoundly disagree with. It's pathetic.

On the couple of occasions that it's happened to me I've said "Fine, I'll call it a lesboboard, and it's ok for me to say that because I am one."

You know the people who pretend to think that they aren't allowed to ask for gingerbreadmen, and that the lady in Cooplands will ring up the PC Brigade as part of Tony B-Liarses Diktats of Spinniness and Leftism unless you ask for a non-gendered person of limited ungingeriness...... well they must know that they're talking shite, surely? When they say 'you're not allowed to celebrate Christmas any more', how do they actually square that with the fact that they've celebrated Christmas? What goes on in their heads?

irksome - they will generally only say it to people who they think will agree with them. Call them out on it, the flustered responses and furious back-pedalling and defensiveness are hilarious. It's usually very easy to make people who come out with this nonsense to look like an idiot as they've done most of the work for you, so what's stopping you?

Malin Depends on context: sometimes nothing!
If it's a student in front of a bunch of other students, you have to be a little bit gentler, though!

do you not look at them a little pitifully and say "why do you think that" and wait for the repsonse? I think i would.

Get them to explain why they don't think you can call a gingerbread man a gingerbread man.

When they bring up some ridiculous nonesense you can then challenge it. It would be a good discussion point for your students.

You have to be in a tranquil mood to deal with it dispassionately!

One of my dd's recent FB statuses was 'yo, listen up all you Daily Mail readers! OF COURSE you can sing ba ba black sheep, you idiots'

i enjoy being un-pc

I never subscribe to the latest fads or edicts from Trendy Wendy about how we cant say this, and mustnt think that. I have my own opinion and dont believe in following the latest pc nonsense

It depends what you mean by PC. To me it means letting MN or the DM or both tell you what is right and wrong instead of thinking about it yourself.

I hope most people still do think for themselves, but some people if asked "is this right and wrong" will say "hang on while I go to MN/DM/Some-magazine and find out".

As for that 'whiteboard', 'gingerbreadperson' stuff There are no laws that forbid blackboard/winterval etc but a very small number of people do insist it is 'PC'. Usually MN will tell you that this small group does not exist, but I think most people have encountered one or two ridiculous examples. And yes they DO undermine real progress and that is why people like myself would refer to them as "PC gone mad" which it is.

I think they leaves us with 4 groups. (each is actually a curve really)

PC gone mad (loons)
PC (sheep)
Normal (me and an awful lot of other people when they are not posing posting on MN)
UN-PC - could mean normal people OR could mean people going to the other extreme.

oohyouareawful - can you please give me an example of the things that you are 'un-pc' about?

I agree with onagar.

I think that casual racists are generally more sheep-like that people who avoid giving offense where appropriate. It usually means they haven't thought much about the true nature of the world.

Good post onagar.

It is of course normal to not be PC.

Why am i not at all surprised to see CCpcc posting in favour of being un pc.

I havent posted in support of un-pc Mamaz0n. Just showing PC for the devisive use of language for control and political gain that it has been recently.

Thankfully it seems to be on the decrease now the Condems are in. Much more straight talking going on.

I suspect that is why we are getting a lot of these increasingly frantic 'everyones a bigot' threads on AIBU lately, as MN does tend to sit on the more PC woolly side of things.

I guess theres always the report button for those who dont like the tides of change, if MNHQ are listening.

There's nothing woolly about choosing to avoid offensive language.
What is the 'control and political gain' of which you speak?

What's with all the wooly liberal shit and the sheep references everywhere?

have we been invaded by nazi farmers or summat?

Ha ha did your post get deleted Irksome?

Thats PC gone mad, right there.

proud delaration of un-pc = thick and unkind on the whole

agree entirely HUlly

Can I just ask... at what point disagreement about an issue or a set of circumstances descends into un-PC'ness?

Example from other threads... Unkind people do not make enough allowances for children with SN. The circumstances were dismissed by some posters, who seemed to think that any amount of allowance that is required should be made and anybody who doesn't fall in with this viewpoint is a 'bad' person.

I think there is much confusion about what is really PC and what are merely 'unpopular' viewpoints.