Should SAHP be paid for their role by the goverment?

[Cocoflower]

Should SAHP be paid for the role they do by the goverment? If not by the goverment then who?

According to which study you read SAHP work is valued at 30-70k a year. Infact you can now even get life insurance based on being a SAHM which demonstrates a worth surely?

Is it not time we started valuing and recognising one of the hardest jobs out there 24/7 hours of work and no holidays through offical payment as being regarded as a public worker? Is raising future generations and caring for human life worth any less than any other type of work?

Now people may argue; if you have kids you pay for them, why should the tax payer foot the bill?

However if both parents work then the tax payer is footing some of the bill through tax credits anyway to cover childcare. Why not pass this straight onto the parents?

Now, I know many people work for more than just money,and many would stay in employment anyway even if they could be paid to stay at home.

But there would be many people would choose to stay at home if they could afford it and feel valued by getting paid for this? Would this be good if means freeing up thousands of jobs for people who need the jobs in the state the country is in?

Would this system just encourage people to have children they dont really want? Or should we say unlikely as having children is such a big thing to take on and its likely you would get paid more in a job anyway?

I see your point Mr Spoc

However in the legal system (and I am taking from RL example) if a wealthy bussinessman was divorced by his SAHM wife she would be in the eyes of the law entitled to money (in this case 68%) so in regards to that SAHP are valued?

Agree MrSpoc there is loads more leisure time when you are a SAHP. Its more relaxing and laid back. You can do more things that you want to do etc thats what I do when I am out of work and count any time out of my paid position as time off as its easy tbh.Its obviously important to the child but thats what a parent does for love, but it isnt going to be any way as hard as an actual employment job.

coco the study that you quoted was not suggesting that parents should be paid for what they do now. It was suggesting that if a parent was no longer there (ie dead), then £32,000 would be the amount needed to pay for the work they did, if NO-ONE else was available to do that. It would apply equally to SAHM and WOHM. It's just than people who are working are more likely to be covered by insurance, whereas SAHP are not.

Perhaps your original question should have been "if a SAHP dies, should the government pick up the tab?"

OP - I do think your purpose was to stir, and you have succeeded.
No bother to me as I love a good bun fight.
If it was not perfectly obvious from your OP, the fact that you have some WOHP/SAHM issues is absolutely evident from your latest posts.

Where's scottishmummy when you need her?

I would like to say I laugh at the mere suggestion Im looking for a bunfight between SAHPS vs WOHPS

I despise this type of argument. Its up other people what they do with their life and frankly each positon has many pro's and con's.

Currently I am self-employed, but as only work the hours dc is at school (apart from Fridays) I suppose it would be fair to say I also am a part time SAHM too.

So as someone with dual roles which side of myself should I be having the bunfight with?

My OP is very tame... wait until you see the rest of MN. It gets worse. Way worse

Cocoflower - why should a SAHM get 68% in divorce? i dont think that is a legal stand point at all and is more about fighting it out in court.

I also agree that as a married couple everything is 50/50 so if y6ou divorce it is split 50/50 then maintenance is split depending upon time you have with the children. What i dont agree is a SAHP should get a state funded salary.

Just popped back in to say ilovedora what a load of cobblers!

Many people find looking after small children much much harder than their paid work.

Generalisations much!

I am thinking of asking the government to pay me for doing my own cleaning, seeing as I can't really afford to pay someone to do it.

Perhaps the government should also pay DH for fixing his car or building our extension, cos after all some people get paid for fixing cars and building extensions, and its not fair that DH has to do it in his own time for no money. He could be earning money in that precious time.

sardine depends on your job then but my job is 100000 times harder than being at home.

In this particular case they did.

Perhaps SAHP shouldn't get a penny then. It is something that doesnt sit right with people I guess.

Even if people never want to see the role rewarded in money then I guess we have our answer.

It was just a thought I had (yes I think about things way to much been told that all my life!) I just thought it might be an intresting topic there was no malice in it.

Quite disheartned I have been called names and insulted because of it towards the end. Oh well.

ilovedora and sardine - you just can't make generalisations about work being harder than SAH or vice versa.

In my specific case my job is MUCH harder than if I SAH (IMO) cos I have a huge amount of responsibility, a very big workload that spills over into home life, and I often wake up in a cold sweat panicking about how in gods name I am going to get everything done.

However, previous jobs I've had would probably have been easier than SAH.

Depends both on the individual and on the job.

Yes it depends on your job and it also depends on your personality and it also depends on how many children you have, how old they are and what they are like and it also depends on how much support and friends you have and it also depends on what sort of working pattern your OH has and it also depends on whether you have an OH and it also depends on how much money you have and it also depends on whether you are suffering from PND or similar and a million other things.

I really don't like it when make such random generalisations!

xposts.

FGS where did I make a generalisation?

Honestly some people.

Ok it depends on the job but do people not think its unfair that I am reponsible for up to 8 children. They are some of the most deprived in the uk and have either complex behavioural problems or special needs.

Most are Social Services referrals and the children have been through sexual abuse, neglect or severe emotional harm. Most are on the at risk register. Additionally most have severe Speech and Language difficulties. On top of that I care for children with Autism. In addition that I also look after my own child at same time. This is paid the MINIMUM WAGE!!!! if anyone thinks SAHP is harder than this then they are deluded so no they shouldnt get paid until people in my position get paid 1000s more a year imo.

Exactly Sardine. Its one of my pet hates in WOHM/SAHM debates that it is either presumed that everyone who WOH merely leaves the house for 9 hours to sit idly at a desk filing their nails, or that everyone who SAH spends the whole time at coffee mornings/watching Jeremy Kyle whilst their children play quietly!!!

The reality is that at the other end of the spectrum you have people who work in incredibly stressful jobs, and people who are sole carers to DCs with SN.

Sardine - I should have said one can't make generalisations!

Redhot

Still waiting to see which side of myself should be having the bunfight with then?

As this is my whole point of posting, no?

Dora. And?

My point is that some people will find it easier at home with their children and some people will find it easier to go out to work. Some lucky people will be just as happy whichever they do, and some unfortunate people will be unhappy whichever they do.

You simply can't make statements like "Agree MrSpoc there is loads more leisure time when you are a SAHP. Its more relaxing and laid back. You can do more things that you want to do etc thats what I do when I am out of work and count any time out of my paid position as time off as its easy tbh." in order to make a point as you must understand that different people have different experiences.

I agree totally with Sardine

I hate all this judgment people pass everyone is unique

My point is I will not support a wage for SAHPS until carers of the elderly, learning disabled and disadvantaged children are paid a lot more. They are caring for way more people at the same time than any SAHP, but get paid the minimum wage.

The divorce point is actually interesting because it highlights the fact that the benefit is accepted to have been to the other partner, not to wider society. The government doesn't dish out money to divorced partners - the other partner does.

I have to agree that this thread has the feel of an attempt to provoke a SAH/WOHM bunfight with the OP putting an anti-SAHP spin on pretty innocent comments like the one about people teaching parenting skills.

Ahh... and again

So which 'side' was it Im fighting for then?

dora that's fair enough. It was simply your generalisation that irritated me!