Should SAHP be paid for their role by the goverment?

[Cocoflower]

Should SAHP be paid for the role they do by the goverment? If not by the goverment then who?

According to which study you read SAHP work is valued at 30-70k a year. Infact you can now even get life insurance based on being a SAHM which demonstrates a worth surely?

Is it not time we started valuing and recognising one of the hardest jobs out there 24/7 hours of work and no holidays through offical payment as being regarded as a public worker? Is raising future generations and caring for human life worth any less than any other type of work?

Now people may argue; if you have kids you pay for them, why should the tax payer foot the bill?

However if both parents work then the tax payer is footing some of the bill through tax credits anyway to cover childcare. Why not pass this straight onto the parents?

Now, I know many people work for more than just money,and many would stay in employment anyway even if they could be paid to stay at home.

But there would be many people would choose to stay at home if they could afford it and feel valued by getting paid for this? Would this be good if means freeing up thousands of jobs for people who need the jobs in the state the country is in?

Would this system just encourage people to have children they dont really want? Or should we say unlikely as having children is such a big thing to take on and its likely you would get paid more in a job anyway?

[lynehamrose]

Because some people take a while to grasp the basic points I guess.

And others of us are still waiting to hear a) why SAHP should be paid a 'wage' which WOHP wouldn't be and b) how this would be financed

[Cocoflower]

Because some people take a while to grasp the basic points I guess.



Indeed they do...

[working9while5]

That's a pretty childish response.

[working9while5]

Sorry, that was to lynehamrose.

[lynehamrose]

What, asking for a) and b)?

Well, would be nice to hear a workable response to the idea raised by the op! Then there might be something to discuss! Why and How? That's all!

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[AdelaofBlois]

@Cocoflower

But the point is a 'reduction' works differently according to whether the mother (and I'm deliberately not being gender neutral here) is paying tax or not. If she is, it admits that she has a necessary cost and contributes to mitigating the effects so that working and the independence that comes with it is less dependent on her caring role. If, on the other hand, it goes to her working partner, then that partner is getting the money and she is dependent on their handout in the short term. In a good relationship where both partners die at the same time that might be the same, but we're not all Romeo and Juliet.

[working9while5]

It should be fairly obvious that the childish part was making silly comments about people failing to grasp basic points.

[lynehamrose]

Why? How? Anyone?

[AdelaofBlois]

Or, as I say, you pay the carer (working or not) equivalent to what they would have earned if not caring. Which I don't think is feasible, or would even considered by many fair.

I think I'm worried that individual women and the sacrifices they all make are getting lost here, in favour of discussions about households as a natural form of support.

Bonsoir had a comment on alternative, and costly, changes to employment law that would focus more on carers vs non-carers not SAHPs vs others.

[working9while5]

Adela, I think that a lot of the gender neutrality in threads like these is silly because the political implications and realities are so different depending on whether it is a man or a woman making these choices. Not as it should be, no, but as it is.. and applying a false veneer of gender equality to it rather misses the point.

I know that often, we hear that in Scandinavia women can take up to 7 years off and return to their jobs without negative consequence but I don't know if this is true in reality.

As I think you mentioned earlier, the actual wage isn't as much of an issue as the fact that women who do choose to stay home frequently effectively write themselves out of any sort of meaningful future career. That fact reduces the freedom of all women's choice more than the household wage as you say, so again the pay is a non-issue here in some ways. It's about progression.

Don't divorce courts recognise the sahp role in settlements? Or have done, anyway?

[Cocoflower]

Hang on- but tax paid on what exactly? Her tax she pays on employment inside (assuming the hypothetical payment comes to fruitation) or outside the home?

[Cocoflower]

Don't divorce courts recognise the sahp role in settlements? Or have done, anyway?

Yes they do.In legal eyes it is recognised

So thats whole countries and the legal system recognising a worth to an extent

[ssd]

working9while5, I don't think you can have an intelligent discussion about the conflict most mothers feel about working or staying at home with the kids on MN, because the drum bangers always come along and start patronising someone they feel isn't in agreement with them

its really tiresome, this conflict of feelings is so prevelant for a lot of us, but it can't be discussed here as it will degenerate into mud slinging and general bitchiness as the same old posters throw their weight around and try to trip up anyone who doesn't post in agreement with them, rendering the discussion into farce

[working9while5]

Yup ssd, that's how it seems to me. It's a shame.

[scottishmummy]

god you sound jaded and bit bulgy eyed ssd

[working9while5]

bang bang goes the drum

[Cocoflower]

Watch the beater doesnt accidently fly into someones 'bulgy eye'!

[scottishmummy]

surely its a tambourine
is this you being hissy that no one is hanging off your every word
you see on a discursive forum,you get its of posts and lots of opinions. some you may or may not concur with.now youre not prevented from posted .at all.so to create this fallacy of cant post, too many baaaad things out there,is all a bit precious

so do what everyone else does
post,respond,participate

this is nothing short off your rattle flying oot your pram

[working9while5]

Yeah yeah, all been said before. Exactly the same way, in fact. Also pretty irrelevant to the discussion and the point but don't let that stop you. Lots of vitriol and childish insults in what you right but apparently others have their rattles flying out of prams.

[working9while5]

write

[scottishmummy]

oh and apparently you have faux moral high ground
no one can get word in for the meanies.according to you

[scottishmummy]

lol,you get all arsey and then come back to spellcheck
write!

[working9while5]

Yeah, that's what I was saying.
This is your money shot, isn't it? When it becomes the slanging match. What is it you call it? Frisson and riposte? When others say the same, it's = rattles, prams, hissy fits. You just hang about for this bit, devoid of all content or reason.

I think it's pretty hard to have a conversation with someone hellbent on telling you that what you are saying is not what you are saying as they engage in some sort of ludicrous hunt for subtext to suit their own agenda. It's not discussion, conversation or even debate. There is no amount of ridiculously disingenuous nonsense that faces anyone who wants to talk about the emotional side of this debate - you know the woolly, hug a tree stuff that doesn't interest you but that you feel the need to denigrate because it's fun for you. Good for you, sm, you get what excites you and what you need from these discussions. Fair dues. Others don't and to be fair they won't either, because there isn't actually room. The nature of this forum is that if people continually derail or take something off topic, it becomes very hard to follow and contribute to another point of view.

But hey, come back at me with one of your hilarious one liners and we'll call it a night.

[working9while5]

Not arsey, surely. It's frisson and riposte, m'dear. Where's my bingo card? A lol and a comment about spell-checking from you, sm?

Here's my "wee harumphy man" for you to make some hilarious comment about: .

[scottishmummy]

your a pent up ball of ire
really its words on a screen.of it causes you so much consternation ease up a bit