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to ask WHY people have irrational fears?

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PaddingtonStare · 03/06/2011 23:33

Brought on by some of the dog threads, this intrigues me. I don't mean logical fears, such as being scared of dogs or of needles because of an unpleasant experience or even because the parent/s of the child or adult concerned have passed fears on, but totally irrational fears.

I've heard it said that fear is a learned experience but surely that can't be the case for, say, the person who is scared of dogs but has never had a bad experience with them and whose carers have never encouraged the fear.

Scared of common house spiders, for instance. WHY?! They can't harm you, but you could easily kill them.

Or is it all down to an irrational childhood dislike, as kids are wont to have, which has been indulged, for example when Johnny declares a fear of dogs or spiders and Mum and Dad make a big effort to "protect" him from the thing he has, in his moment of wild imagination, decided he doesn't like, just as all of a sudden he may not like peas or wearing his blue shoes?

My two fears are needles and water, the former I feel is rational because they bloody hurt and the latter a fear which is kind of logical and which developed after years of going on the Thames until the Marchioness tragedy. The Captain of that boat, who lost his life that night, was a good friend of my own best friend and had been at the helm on several of the many occasions when I was a riverboat party-goer, so it hit home.

I don't think I have any wildly irrational fears and don't understand why people do. Can anyone enlighten me and AIBU to think that there is not always a reason for serious fear of things?

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BatsInTheSnowglobe · 04/06/2011 14:13

oh how strange iscream.

GentleOtter · 04/06/2011 14:21

My fear of balloons stemmed from a puff adder puffing itself up to strike me when I was young.
When we came to this country, someone blew a balloon up close to my face (balloon then burst) and somehow I associated the actions of the snake or rather, my mother's reaction to the snake threatening to strike her child, to balloons.
Fear of loud noises somehow snuck into the equation too.

olderandwider · 04/06/2011 17:03

There is a theory that children are born with a tendency to fear snakes and spiders, perhaps an evolutionary advantage.

Some phobias arise because of an unfortunate association. Eg if you fly and are feeling anxious about something unrelated to flying, the next time you fly your body may remember you were anxious during this experience (smells and sounds often set off particular memories) and so you re-experience the anxiety. So you have set up a nice cause and effect - when I fly, I feel nervous, so everytime I fly I expect to feel nervous, so, I must be nervous about flying.

I am not keen on spiders but am working hard on staying calm when I see one and even contemplating picking one up in a tissue. I did a lot of visualisation and relaxation and it really helps.

Tee2072 · 04/06/2011 17:06

As other's have said, if they were rational there would be a why. Because they are irrational, there is no reason.

In my case it's my mis-wired brain and I take meds for it. I am agoraphobic. I would be happy to never leave my house again. I can't do that (especially with a 2 year old) so I am on medication to control my anxiety.

borderslass · 04/06/2011 17:09

I have a real fear of going down escalators I have panic attacks over them so avoid going near them don't know why,kids used to find it funny but they understand now that their older.I can go up them no problem though.

fifi25 · 04/06/2011 17:13

I have a fear of daddy long legs. Watching the telly at night and you hear the dreaded flutter of the long legs aaarrrggghhhh i cant even catch them, ive got to run out the room until somone catches it. I have gave my eldest dd the fear of anything insect like but dd2 aged 7 catches anything. She picks huge spiders out the bath and chases daddy long legs, picks them up riggling and chucks them out the window.

LynetteScavo · 04/06/2011 17:15

My irrational fear stems from a teacher telling me sternly "Not to go near it" and making me promise I wouldn't. I'd just turned 8, so was probably pretty impressionable.

LynetteScavo · 04/06/2011 17:16

Although why my DD has a fear of spiders, I don't know.....probably from some crap on CBBC.

madonnawhore · 04/06/2011 17:21

A friend of mine was pathologically scared of spiders and finally decided to go and get regressed under hypnosis to try and sort it out.

She had no idea why she was so scared of them, just that she always had been.

Under regression she remembered being a toddler in her high chair, eating. A spider walked across the tray in front of her and when her mother noticed, she let our a loud shriek and slammed her fist on the tray, killing the spider.

The hypnotherapist said that it was this panicked cry from her mother, coupled with the aggression of slamming her fist, that imprinted the fear.

So fascinating. I applied this theory to my own phobia about being sick and recalled a time when I puked on my dad and he responded with disgust and aversion (which was fair enough really!!).

The mind is so, so impressionable. Especially when we are toddlers.

cheekeymonkey · 04/06/2011 17:24

I have an irrational fear of people on stilts. My legs turn to jelly so I can't get away. People think it's hilarious - not for me!

Also Daddy Long Legs but I am trying to ignore this amap because do not want to put fear into DD, I believe I have a memory of being in my pram on front door step with DDLs flying into my face and as I was a baby not having the abilty to bat them away. Weird, I know but am convinced I remember this!

Basically anything (including people) with legs that are too long for their torso.

fifi25 · 04/06/2011 17:35

Its strange because i know it is because of me dd1 has the fear. I havent done anything different with dd2. I still screech and run about and have done since she was a baby. She has never ever been scared of anything and loves nothing better than chasing me and dd1 with her catch.

ajandjjmum · 04/06/2011 17:39

I have always been petrified of snakes - although I can't remember ever having seen one in the UK. It does impact on me, in that if we're walking across a field, I've always got one eye on the ground. There are also places that I'd love to visit, that I won't incase the ground is crawling with snakes. Grin I was determined not to pass this on to the children, and one of my proudest moments was when DD came home from school with a certificate saying she'd held a boa constrictor. She had a good scrub in the bath that night though! Grin

DH is petrified of spiders, and rather than hide it, treated it as a bit of a joke with the DC, so guess who's scared of spiders now. Idiot!!!

LadyThumb · 04/06/2011 18:12

I went over to my friends yesterday. It was 40deg in their conservatory, which leads to the dining room (35 deg) (and where they were eating a roast dinner). Their sitting room was 26 deg. Not one window open in the whole house because she is scared of flies and flying things. I stayed 30 seconds then came home. They were sitting in their underwear!!

LordOfTheFlies · 04/06/2011 18:21

Moths-I know they can't harm but if they come into my house I have to kill them.I cannot be in the house if I know there is one.
On holiday in Turkey there were dozens of butterflies on the back of the curtain. No I didn't kill them but I had to remove each and every one with a glass before I could sleep.DH thought I was mad BTW.

Also detest geese/swans/ducks but I think that's quite rationalGrin

SunshineisSorry · 04/06/2011 18:22

Im scared of - spiders, but this has improved since i have a "gaurd spider" who lives over my back door, hes called Horace and he gobbles up all the flies. I'm scared of heights, pretty reational. And i'm scared of Picket Fences - they sort of make me go all clammy and uncomfortable. I can trace this back a horrible recurrent dream i had as a DD which i would wake from unable to catch my breath. Magpies and crows, im not keen on those either but would never harm one, anymore than i would harm a spider, i mean, everyone knows if you kill a spider it will rain Grin. Scared of flying, absolutely wont fly, nup, no way uh uh, scared of crowds.

LordOfTheFlies · 04/06/2011 18:26

Thats right is you kill a spider it will rain.
If you kill moths your Marks and Spencer pure wool sweater might stand a chance of making it through its second winter.

SunshineisSorry · 04/06/2011 18:29

I love moths though LordOfTheFlies and i dont have any marks and spencer pure wool jumpers so they welcome in my house ;)

thumbwitch · 04/06/2011 18:34

Morloth and OlderandWider have touched on one of the theories behind fear of snakes and spiders - it's meant to be a primal defence system triggered by your more primitive brain areas to keep yourself safe.

however, this link suggests there may be a genetic factor as well, that people with a certain type of gene pattern in chromosome 14 are more prone to anxiety and this increases the potential for phobic response.

meditrina · 04/06/2011 18:36

They're never illogical, and the Doctor will one day explain all of them and what Sloan life they pertain to (think darkness and the Vashta Nerada).

Sorry, only 6 minutes to go......

thumbwitch · 04/06/2011 18:36

LadyThumb - you might want to send this link to your phobic friend! Fly screens for windows are available in the UK as well as other countries.

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moonriver · 04/06/2011 19:00

ALL fears are irrational really, unless YOU are the one suffering from it.

I am petrified of dolls. I couldn`t tell you why, I just am!

pinklizzie · 04/06/2011 19:09

Fear of public speaking and fear of spiders are the most common phobias the world over.

I went and saw a behaviour cognitive shrink kind of guy who was very interesting - and did speak about how it was about past experiences and building up irrational beliefs. For example instead of saying "OMG I hate public speaking this is going to be a disaster - I am going to be flamed" you need to condition yourself to say - "OK this may not go well, but then it will not be the end of the world if it does not and I am still a good person with innate qualities" or something like that.

LordOfTheFlies · 04/06/2011 19:13

Moonriver I hope you haven't seen 'The Tommyknockers -Steven King film.

Just say no

LillyTheMinx · 04/06/2011 19:28

Snakes and eels. I just can't look at them. Not even a picture. I have no idea where the fear came from.

Frogs - probably because of how they're portrayed in fairy tales.

Slugs - I'm absolutely TERRIFIED of them. This could be for one of two reasons:
When I was young I picked up what I thought was a stone, but it was a...

We once visited a friend of my mum. She was doing the gardening and saw a huge slug. She cut it in half with a spade. Urghhhh.

Spiders - they move so fast and they're ugly.

Flying things. Even pretty butterflies. They're so unpredictable.

Flying. This has calmed down a bit but a bit of turbulence during a flight and I cling on to the nearest person.

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