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To think this mother (?) got no more than she deserved.

44 replies

TheLadyEvenstar · 17/05/2011 22:59

Botox Mum

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pjmama · 17/05/2011 23:01

Bloody hell, that's appalling! Shock

SkyNewsAddict · 17/05/2011 23:02

I read that, it's appalling. Agree its what the mother deserved, but ts not what the girl deserved Sad

TheLadyEvenstar · 17/05/2011 23:12

Sky, sadly the only way to protect the poor child is to keep her from her mother....and I do use that term loosely in this case.

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MumblingRagDoll · 17/05/2011 23:17

They have removed her? I think that this may not be the best outcome. With monitoring she would surely have stopped?

sunshinelifeisgood · 17/05/2011 23:20

I think the mother is deranged but surely SS should of guided her in the right direction rather than take her daughter away. The daughter obviously loves her mother and now will be going through terrible seperation issues

NotShortImFunSized · 17/05/2011 23:22

That poor girl Sad

A1980 · 17/05/2011 23:23

taking her into care was a bit harsh IMO. She's thick and misguided rather than abusive.

For example, Baby P wasn't taken into care but this child was.

thisisyesterday · 17/05/2011 23:23

agree, imagine the trauma that girl is going through now, in care, surrounded by people she doesn't know

ok, the mother was being a complete imbecile... but surely it would be better to try and keep the child with her mum and ensure mum stops doing it?

Yogagirl17 · 17/05/2011 23:23

It seems there may be more to the story than just the Botox though - apparently the mum wasn't who she said she was so there may have been other reasons for taking the girl into care

keepingupwiththejoneses · 17/05/2011 23:24

I watched a piece about this on the tv this morning and they said there was a bit more to it than just the botox but couldn't go into too much detail as it hadn't been confirmed yet.

A1980 · 17/05/2011 23:25

There are other ways, a parenting agreement, parenting classes etc. A stern warning that if she doesn't stop the child will be taken into care.

That would've been enough to stop the mother giving botox, I'm sure.

thisisyesterday · 17/05/2011 23:25

qwhat about that "hot sauce mom" though... that was clearly child abuse but he wasn't put into care.
she gets to keep him while also being charged with child abuse Hmm

i am trying to find an update on it actually

A1980 · 17/05/2011 23:25

if there was more to it then that makes sense. But family proceedings are secret for the most part so there may be legal reasons why we don't hear the rest.

TheLadyEvenstar · 17/05/2011 23:36

I think she also (unless I am confusing her with another mother) tattooed her daughters eyebrows so she would "Always have guidance when plucking them".

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AmyStake · 17/05/2011 23:50

I would say that injecting poison in to an 8 year old's face, for whatever misguided reason, is abusive. Glad she was taken away from her.

kaid100 · 17/05/2011 23:56

She says that lots of mothers inject their children with Botox. If this is true I guess this case will make those other mothers quickly burn their Botox supplies and swear their child to secrecy.

SpeedyGonzalez · 18/05/2011 00:00

Why the hell did the TV company put them on the programme in the first place? That is seriously irresponsible - they actively colluded with the mother to encourage at least one more episode of this abuse. The producers should have alerted the police to the story and left them to deal with it. Bloody ratings-scavengers. Angry

cloudydays · 18/05/2011 00:02

I'm not sure what the child protection procedures are in San Francisco, but I used to work in a related field in another U.S. state and "taken into care" might mean a different thing in the UK than it does there.

The fact that this little girl has been "taken into care" most likely means that the Department of Children and Families has assumed temporary custody of her and placed her in another home - possibly a foster family but very likely her own relatives, which is always the first option if at all possible - until a court hearing at which a family court judge will determine whether she should be returned to her mother's care, and if so whether that will require support from DCF (home visits, parenting classes, whatever).

I think it's a reasonable response, and hopefully was done as sensitively as possible for the poor little girl. Her mother needs to know that this was not acceptable.

cloudydays · 18/05/2011 00:03

I agree with you Speedy - if the mother is convicted of abuse, they should be charged as accessories.

SpeedyGonzalez · 18/05/2011 00:06

There was a similar thing on Dr Phil or one of his acolytes - the woman abusing her adopted Russian son. Again the child was taken into care but FGS a TV crew was sent there to film the whole abusive episode taking place, supposedly as part of an attempt at 'therapy' Hmm. Disgraceful.

cloudydays · 18/05/2011 00:09

I remember that - it was the hot sauce thing. I read about it on MN and looked it up on YouTube. I wish I hadn't :( That poor little boy.

"Dr". Phil was at pains to say during the show "the video was taken by the family's older daughter, not the Dr. Phil show crew," as if that makes it ok to exploit and capitalise on images of a child being physically and emotionally abused. Angry Angry Angry

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kw1986 · 18/05/2011 00:12

Im sure I read that story or a similiar one a few months ago and the mum was waxing her little girls bits. Even though she only had fine downy hair it was to stop it growing at all or something...

The botox is child abuse and the poor wee girl has been brainwashed into thinking its acceptable. Yes it wont be nice for her to be removed from her mum but in the long run its best for her.

SoloIsAHotCougar · 18/05/2011 00:18
Shock
SoloIsAHotCougar · 18/05/2011 00:19

Wrinkles at 8?!!!

Again Shock

flyingspaghettimonster · 18/05/2011 01:42

I agree with Cloudy - taken into care here in Virginia would likely mean to the grandparents with visitation from the mother... I know several children/parents with this sort of agreement, some for scarily minor reasons such as no fixed custody agreement in place between the parents - so grandparents/relatives get given the kids until it is finalised. All very distressing for the kids involved, but not as bad as going into a foster home with strangers.

I think the botox and waxing is outrageous... I have only met one pageant mom over here so far, and she was unattractive and obese... I think sometimes the mother lives through the child and even the beautiful moms tend to have been pageant girls themselves and want to see their offspring achieve titles they never attained...

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