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to be pissed off that schools are off AGAIN!?

214 replies

tallulahxhunny · 09/05/2011 14:37

after being off almost the whole month of april then the bank holiday and the voting day for some schools, and knowing that they finish for 7 weeks soon, why are they going to be off the friday before and the tuesday after the bank holiday at end of may? ffs at this rate i'd be better off home tutoring!!

Its not that i dont want to spend time with my children but i have had to fight all year for them to notice my child cant read (7) and now they have eventually took notice shes been off school longer than she has been in there! its bloody ridiculous (insert seriously angry face with much feet stamping)

OP posts:
pointydog · 10/05/2011 19:13

Schools have the same number of holidays every year. You coud do a bit of home tutoring, I suppose.

NorfolkNChance · 10/05/2011 19:15

Miiiiiiissssssss the magic newspaper has left an imprint on my White trousers and Bolivia nicked my fags sweets too!

clam · 10/05/2011 19:17

Hang on! Someone's disappeared since I last counted...

Feenie · 10/05/2011 19:18

Check they haven't fallen asleep under the coach seat - one of my kids did that once on a trip, nearly gave me heart failure!

NorfolkNChance · 10/05/2011 19:20

I lost a child near some lions once, little darling wandered off with a different group (luckily within our school) I only looked away for a second...

Hang on where's Bolivia? She'd better be replacing my fags sweets

Fontsnob · 10/05/2011 19:23

Nope Bolivia is necking with that boy from that other school? she swapped your fags for a can of shandy.

NorfolkNChance · 10/05/2011 19:25

Rotten cow! Plus he's a rubbish snogger and only bought me half a portion of chips cheapskate

BoattoBolivia · 10/05/2011 19:28

Sorry to spoil the excitement but the baby is actually 13 months old and I just. Haven't gone back yet- long and complicated story!

On the other matter, I am very upset at the suggestions made by Font and Norfolk...I am a good girl, they are picking on me while I quietly try to finish my rearing book and play roadside cribbage with my friend.

Fontsnob · 10/05/2011 19:29

Your rearing book! Blush

BoattoBolivia · 10/05/2011 19:30

Bloody auto correct and iPad keyboard. Serves me right to mn while the baby is in the bath [bad mother smiley]

clam · 10/05/2011 19:31

Pah! Call yourself a teacher?
Next Inset (few days after this one, to cause maximum disruption to parents) will be on editing and redrafting. We will begin with a spelling test.

Fontsnob · 10/05/2011 19:33

Oh and clam? a snow day in august?! It'll never last. [bad joke smiley]

BoattoBolivia · 10/05/2011 19:37

Oh no, I hate spelling tests. Did you know there is little evidence to suggest that a weekly selling test makes any difference to a child's spelling ability? [yet another thing to upset parents]

Fonts- that joke made my day (it's been a really bad one!)

Fontsnob · 10/05/2011 19:44

Why thank you, my terrible jokes usually have the opposite effect.

IShallWearMidnight · 10/05/2011 19:53

You might scoff but DD1 spent a day at a theme park as part of a G&T residential course at Warwick uni - they were studying the maths behind queuing and traffic flow. Obviously they didn't enjoy them selves at all and spent the day making pages and pages of notes Wink

EvilTwins · 10/05/2011 19:57

The Business Studies dept at my school takes kids to Alton Towers every year. They have to sit through a lecture and everything...

OP - YABU.

slhilly - I don't get what you're on about either. If I have to do my training during August (thus making the summer holidays 7 weeks - woohoo!) what do I do with my children during that time? Because they'll be on holiday, won't they? Teachers have kids too, you know.

clam · 10/05/2011 20:02

Well, I guess we'd have to make arrangements as other working parents do. But that's not the point. It's a crazy idea on every level. I've decided to believe that slhilly was just trying to wind us up.

NorfolkNChance · 10/05/2011 20:22

Indeed childcare issues don't exist for teachers dontcha know Wink

Fontsnob · 10/05/2011 20:28

Not for me, I keep my baby in the art cupboard when I'm at work. The kids figure I live in there anyway.

ravenAK · 10/05/2011 20:40

Am I too late to sign up for Thorpe Park INSET?

jumps up & down excitedly in unsuitable footwear, vest top & shorts but no sunscreen

clam · 10/05/2011 20:43
Grin Where's your permission slip, raven?
Samjam10 · 10/05/2011 21:22

I am HAPPY to do all my INSET in August. No probs. Can I please have the week after May half term off in lieu, as I can then afford a holiday? Because when I last looked, I'm still paid for 1265 hours pro rata salary. This week may not suit some of my colleagues, or the parents of our classes, but sure - it will work....

slhilly · 10/05/2011 21:34

ffs, I'm not trying to wind you up, I'm asking a pretty obvious question to anyone who's outside the system and is entering: why should pupils' education be disrupted to accommodate teacher training, especially when teachers have long periods of the year in which they are not teaching?

To be clear:

  • yes, I think 7 weeks of summer holiday for pupils / 6 weeks summer holiday ofr teachers + 1 week of training would be much better. It would cause massively less disruption to pupils and the vast bulk of parents.
  • while there are some types of training that I can imagine it would be good for an entire school or large chunks of a school to go on, I don't understand what is so special about teacher training vs other professional development that there is five days' worth each year that requires a school to shut down. Other organisations use cover and rolling programmes to ensure continuity of service - and no, fontsnob/clam, I was not suggesting trying to provide cover for an entire school any more than you try to provide cover for an entire hospital, law firm, architectural practice, engineering company, accountancy, etc etc. I was suggesting that the combination of cover and rolling programmes would make sense
  • my source for saying Inset was not always about training is google - wiki and a few other links say that it can be for training or administration. If you know better, well and good. If you can provide a post showing it's only for training, so much the better
  • I've asked a set of questions related to Inset. I've made comparisons to other professions. Why that constitutes teacher-bashing in and of itself, is beyond me. You say I'm teacher-bashing, I'm saying what you're doing seems an awful lot like kneejerk defensiveness and special pleading.

A few specifics:

  • Hulababy asks "Do you do training in your holiday allowance too?". I have 23 days holiday a year, plus public holidays and weekends. The rest of the time I'm either delivering my work or training. I'm paid for all of this in 12 monthly installments. You have 65 days holiday per year, plus public holidays and weekends. The rest of the time you're either delivering your work or training. You're paid for this in 12 monthly installments. Some years ago, teachers used to have 70 days holiday per year and 5 days of that became training time (not sure if this increased teachers' salaries or not). Some years ago, my organisation used to give people who started 30 days a year. I wish it weren't so, but it is. I'm sure you wish you had 70 days still.
  • Feenie asks: "Fine - we can run the INSET days in August, as you suggest, slhilly. Now, when would you like me to have my extra week off, in lieu of training in the school holidays? Obviously it should be at a time which doesn't inconvenience you, of course." Just end term a week earlier or start term a week later, as used to happen. It's not about inconveniencing me personally - it's about maximising convenience and educational experience for everyone.
  • Fontsnob asks: "Slhilly, why don't you retrain as a teacher and then you will have the same holidays as your children (as long as they go to the same school)? This may also give you a better understanding of INSET days and the profession as a whole. It may possibly also mean that your attitude towards the profession would be a little nicer." You appear to be saying that you are not prepared to accept the validity of questions from people who haven't walked the whole way in your shoes. I reject that fundamentally. I think there's value in looking across professions to avoid insularity. I'd also like you to show me the specifics, with quotes, of where you think I've shown an attitude that's not nice to teachers.
NorfolkNChance · 10/05/2011 21:41

bangs head on desk

INSET is not taking away from curriculum time.

This year us awkward granted but usually it is tacked onto holidays to make life for parents easier.

YOUR CHILD IS IN SCHOOL FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.

Plus INSET has to be published in advance so if you can't organise childcare with that notice it is not the schools/teachers fault.

EvilTwins · 10/05/2011 21:45

slhilly - for a start, training in teaching is often not like training in other industries. We have to keep up with the frequent changes in government policy etc, otherwise we would be accused of not having the interests of the chidlren at the forefront. When a new initiative is brought in, it makes far more sense for a school to train all its staff at the same time.

Google, Wiki etc seem to have convinced you that much of INSET time is spent doing individual professional development. I can assure you that in my experience, this is not the case. It is rare that a large school (and I teach in a secondary, so quite a lot of teaching and non teaching staff) gets the opportunity to meet together for longer than an hour to discuss, learn, practise and develop our skills. We have to be able to move forward together, and this simply isn't possible without spending chunks of INSET time together.

I don't think you can understand unless you've done it. I would not assume I can advise doctors, lawyers, bricklayers or bus drivers on how and when they should enage in professional development, as I have never been anything other than a teacher.

Unfortunately, much of what you, and various other posters on MN think, is that schools should organise themselves to cause as little inconvenience to working parents as possible. Well guess what, I'm a working parent too, with bugger all flexibility about when I take my holidays. When I'm at work, doing an INSET day, my DTDs are invariably off school, so I have to sort out childcare. As many other posts have pointed out, this is just the way it is when you choose to have a child.

You may accuse me of missing your point, but I'm afraid I consider your "point" to be an ill-informed one.

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