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to wonder with what authority USA killed Osama Bin Laden.

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Mamaz0n · 02/05/2011 09:43

Since when has murder been justice?

Don't get me wrong, i think it is a good thing that he has died. I think that to imprison him would have caused massive uprising in violence and kidnaps etc.

But it bothers me that America has just decided that this man is guilty and therefore acted to murder him.

It is my (probably naive) understanding that you can't be extradited to a state that has the death penalty, so how exactly can Obama's order to kill Bin Laden be at all legal?

I have even just heard that the Pakistani government were not even aware that the USA were taking this action.

I am sorry but it sits very uncomfortably with me.

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onagar · 02/05/2011 18:13

but i wonder if the US didnt like what he would have said.

Like what?

AlpinePony · 02/05/2011 18:17

I still get a thrill when the odd old Nazi is tracked down.

Someone asked earlier in this thread what would happen if you had video evidence of someone abusing your child and that person's address. They said you'd let the justice system deal with it. Too fecking right, my own justice. Some things are too big.

capricorn76 · 02/05/2011 18:19

Sick to death of the US bashers and al Qaida apologists. I call myself a liberal but the bleeding heart variety piss me off.

OBL ordered the killings of thousands of people and vowed to kill every infidel. He would have grabed your kids and had them beheaded on the internet and his supporters would have danced on their graves whilst burning the US flag. What he did on 9/11 made the world a much scarier place. I for one am glad he is dead. I support the Americans 150%. They cannot win whatever they do.

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Mamaz0n · 02/05/2011 18:25

wow.

i refer thee to my thread the other day.

just, well, wow.

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wotnochocs · 02/05/2011 18:38

'it bothers me that America has just decided that this man is guilty and therefore acted '

Act First, think later (if at all) is the American Mantra

wotnochocs · 02/05/2011 18:41

Capricorn- ' Sick to death of the US bashers and al Qaida apologists. I call myself a liberal but the bleeding heart variety piss me off.

It's not we ll think OBL was a lovely guy, but there are ways of doing things properly which do noyt add as much fuel to the fire.

expatinscotland · 02/05/2011 18:45

Wow what, Mamazon? On what authority did NATO forces, including British, attack hit and kill Gaddahfi's son and grandchildren? Who are they to attack and kill him or his? He's an elected representative. Who is anyone's authority? Do you think his world approves of NATO?

Or is it just America that it's acceptable to make out as a place of 400m+ jingoist racists and murderers?

Honestly, I don't say this often, report it, it'll get deleted, but fuck this OP and fuck this thread.

Bin Laden's Al-Queda was more than likely behind the murder of every single person who died in the 7/7 bombings. MI5 seems to think so, guess they're all jingoistic fuckwits, too. Does that make it okay to kill him? Let me tell you, if that were my child who died on that bus or those tubes, I honestly couldn't give a rat's arse what you thought about how the bastard who ordered him or her to die just for being there democratic justice.

You take issue with someone saying a child is ugly, but condemn the death of murderer known to have ordered the deaths of tens of thousands.

What.the.living.FUCK!?

Keep on bashing away. Keep on assuming your own government is better because they knew FA about it (HA!).

hairfullofsnakes · 02/05/2011 18:45

I'm sorry op but you sound quite sanctimonious

He was an evil, evil man, why are you worried about this?!

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Mamaz0n · 02/05/2011 18:49

If it were British troops i would be questioning those too. It is not that it is America, it is that it is a Government/superpower who had ordered the death of a man without trial.

Who that man is is irrelevant, essentially.

There are people celebrating his death in the Uk too, I find that equally distastefull.

I am surprised that you have missed the point in such a way Expat, you are usually one of the more reasoned posters on here.

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onagar · 02/05/2011 18:51

I wasn't especially planning to celebrate, but I'll have a little dance on his grave especially for you.

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Mamaz0n · 02/05/2011 18:52

you'll get suitably wet then

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Mamaz0n · 02/05/2011 18:53

apparently

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Southcoastsarah · 02/05/2011 18:54

one less terrorist in the world has to be a good thing

i just hope he suffered a few seconds of the same terror those poor people jumping from 100 storeys up in a burning building felt

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Mamaz0n · 02/05/2011 18:56

ARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

It is not WHO they shot that I have the issue with, It is the fact that they did so with no trial.

Obama acted as judge jury and executioner. It is that and only that which i have an issue with.

(well, and the fact that i don't believe any of it and think it is a mass cover up for whatever else actually happened)

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capricorn76 · 02/05/2011 18:58

@wotnochocs. I think the fire is already very well lit. The crazy Jihadists will hate us no matter what we do. Even if we let OBL get away and sat around with daisies in our hair singing that hippy Coke song about teaching the world to sing they would still plan to kill us. Why? because their whole ethos is based on killing infidels and they will not stop until we are all gone. The only way they can be stopped is either to shut them down using force or ultimately converting to Islam. You cannot talk rationally with people who love death.

3000 people died on 9/11, what did they do to add fuel to the fire? Nothing. The jihadists chose to start the fight and to fight dirty, they dragged us in with their crazy beliefs and the promise of 72 virgins and I am glad their figurehead is gone.

Putting OBL on trial would've costs millions upon millions, crazy levels of security, threats of kidnappings of VIPs to use as negotiating tools and there would've been retrials and appeals for years etc all the while with him and his followers gloating over the misery they've caused.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 02/05/2011 19:00

expat You have a point about Gaddafi's son and grandchildren, but imho, that should not have happened and was way beyond the air strikes sanctioned.

But I would have liked to have seen Bin Laden on trial. Ideally at The Hague but the US aren't party to the International Criminal Court. Somewhere neutral where this man would have to account for his crimes. Maybe an Arab nation. It can be done. Look at Milosovic and other war criminals from the former Yugoslavia. Look at the war criminals from Rwanda and other war torn nations.

Personally, I don't think the rule of law should go out the window where a terrorist is concerned.

stottie · 02/05/2011 19:03

l thank my God that he is dead and thrown to the sharks just to bad it took so long to do it.

onagar · 02/05/2011 19:03

Mamaz0n, points for a quick comeback :o

You're still wrong because even if they took Bin Laden back to the US and gave him a trail it wouldn't really be any more defensible than what they did do. They have no special right to try people in other countries for breaking US law.

It only works at all if you see it as an act of war. (war isn't really 'legal' either, but there's no need to pretend it is)

bemybebe · 02/05/2011 19:07

I will repeat what I said earlier. Why didn't OBL submit to an international trial? He does not recognize them. If he did and was killed before the legal process was complete, I would understand your indignation. But he did not.

He was planing and inspiring more murders of innocents. I am not sure you are standing on high moral ground defending people like OBL, who respect no laws you want to apply to them, whilst continue to murder. Very twisted logic.

CoteDAzur · 02/05/2011 19:07

Onagar, expat, et al - Was it OK for Alexander Litvinenko to be killed in London? If not, why not?

bemybebe · 02/05/2011 19:09

Sorry, to point out the obvious Cote, but there was no warrant for the arrest of Alexander Litvinenko. The guy was not at large.

polarbabe · 02/05/2011 19:13

The original question asks 'to wonder with that authority USA killed Osama bin Laden'

He was a murderous criminal given plenty of chances to surrender. He was (apparently) asked to surrender, he refused and he was killed.

Essentially you are accusing the US of a coverup, where is the evidence?

CoteDAzur You are seriously comparing Litvinenko - a man who was posioned a suffered a slow agonising death to a murderous madman who killed thousands and had 10 years to surrender but did not.

Oh my God. You cannot be serious.

expatinscotland · 02/05/2011 19:13

Why are you asking me, Cote? I have no idea who the man was.

Don't live in England. Never have. Never will. AFAIC, it's a different country, but that's a whole other matter (Scottish elections 5 May; for all you postal voters here, please get your ballot in soon, your ballot must reach its destination by Thursday, 4 May, 10AM to be counted. It will be travelling 1st Class post, but nonetheless, with Bank Holidays involved, if you are delaying, please vote tonight).

Serenitysutton · 02/05/2011 19:14

Honestly, if you were able to offer a legal solution, what would it be? How would you get him extradited? Where would he be tried? On what charges? We will know without doubt he did not actually murder 3000 people. Assisting a murderer- is that charge serious enough? Funding terrorism, is that? There is no death penalty in NY or any of the other places he could concivably be tried in. So life in prison in the states? How would that work? I fear even if it were possible, you'd be very disappointed, it would not be the big grand day of justice you seem to expect.

Skifit · 02/05/2011 19:22

Can you blame USA ? Good on them taking Bin Laden "Out". They knew exactly what they were doing and did it in James Bond like fashion i reckon. Secret agents tracking him down with great professional intent. After what he did on Sept 11.2001 he deserves it. ! Well done US !