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to think that Camilla is a bit of a national treasure

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GitAwfMayLend · 29/04/2011 20:23

Yes another wedding based thread.

I think she seems a good egg. And looked lovely today.

Plus there were a few moments where she looked very emotional in the abbey, was very touching.

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ivykaty44 · 01/05/2011 17:10

Dp you think perhaps everyone you mention but the queen is dead and therefore possibly no one talks out of turn for now thesmallclanger.

I look at several 19 year olds now and they beleive they are far from naive, and think with age comes densness, that isn't the case though you don't know everything at 19 even if you think you do Grin and are often very vulnerable to your own sillyness

dittany · 01/05/2011 17:10

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meditrina · 01/05/2011 17:17

Facts are hard to come by, but the other girlfriend was also an open secret.

Facts about what was going on during the "war of the Wales" are also hard to come by, but it seems plausible that there was a specific agenda being followed, and an intention to damn Camilla in every way. By then, there was no need to take any steps about the other girlfriend.

ivykaty44 · 01/05/2011 17:20

this link explains why and how affairs worked, even eluding to affairs with one man to be with another Although this is alien to us now, it wasn't then and it has taken longer for the royals to catch up with public feelings on this...possibly

TheSmallClanger · 01/05/2011 17:23

I'm not blaming her for it, Dittany, I'm saying that she had more of an idea of what would happen than she let on, and probably thought that the benefits of being Princess of Wales would outweigh the probable drawbacks. At certain times, this was probably true.

She was of semi-royal background herself, and her sisters were already moving among the highest Royal circles, up to and including dating Prince Charles. Her brother was a journalist of sorts who had done various bits of work on the Royals, and her short working life was spent looking after the children of the upper classes. She was not entering the situation blind. She misjudged it badly, however.

FlorenceMattell · 01/05/2011 17:24

Nobody is good or bad, we are all a mix of the two.
What she did to Diana wasn;t nice but she will have the guilt of that or karma at least.
But I expect she is also very nice to know and her step sons seem genuinely fond of her.
Queen .... i'm not sure....

ZZZenAgain · 01/05/2011 17:38

you know what for all I say about the institution of monarchy, I have to be honest and admit : I like the Queen.

Year in , year out she doesn't ever seem to let herself go/slip up. That's incredible self-discipline when you stop to think about it. I bet she is damn tough but on the other hand, why not? Why shouldn't a woman be tough? I bet anyone marrying into her family, has their work cut out for them but the Queen herself actually of all the royals is probably the one I respect most.

edam · 01/05/2011 17:43

TSC - I doubt it, she was a 19yo with one O-level in domestic science and a head stuffed full of Barbara Cartland, by all accounts. Charles, on the other hand, was a grown man who could have resisted all that awful 'you must marry a virgin' codswallop.

SybilBeddows · 01/05/2011 17:46

her brother was only 16 when she married Charles so I doubt he'd have been in a position to give her the lowdown on Charles's affairs at that point - I think his royal journalism came later.

TheSmallClanger · 01/05/2011 17:47

Shit, chronology fail. Wink

dittany · 01/05/2011 17:47

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TheSmallClanger · 01/05/2011 17:52

I admit I got a few details wrong, but some of them are correct. Please do not patronise me, Dittany.

I suspect this isn't a particularly fruitful argument. As I said upthread, Diana had many admirable qualities. There are those who consider her some sort of saint of feminine suffering, and those who see a more complicated picture.

SybilBeddows · 01/05/2011 17:53

she had got royal connections, her grandmother was a lady-in-waiting to the Queen Mum and apparently tried to talk her out of it. But interestingly, that was (according to Andrew Morton) on the grounds that her sense of humour was different from the royals and she would not fit in.
come to think of it, that's interesting. One can imagine a situation where the grandmother knew that Charles was not going to be faithful but wasn't going to to talk like that to her grandaughter; it's quite possible that the older generation of Spencers knew how the ground lay but didn't let on to her.

dittany · 01/05/2011 17:58

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Yellowstone · 01/05/2011 19:02

meditrina and Careful didn't mean my post to read as though I thought Ed VIII abdicated having chosen his brother, it was badly phrased. Under the current rules of course it would go directly to William. The idea about Anne succeeding was a frolic, though she'd do a fab job (very impressive tour de force once when she visited the regiment, much more concerned with the men than she was with the officers and gave very short shrift to the creepier wives).

Winetimeisfinetime · 01/05/2011 19:24

If you are interested in alleged Royal affairs then this makes very interesting reading and if there is any truth in it then perhaps Prince Charles was just following the model his parents had set.

I was very shocked when I read it as I had no idea that these rumours existed.

You need to click to download the attachment.

iridium · 01/05/2011 19:33

I have a question for you Yellowstone - what if William doesn't want to skip ahead of his father? He might want a few more years of lesser responsibilty to continue his career and spend time with his wife/future kids.

AlpinePony · 01/05/2011 19:38

Damn you,winetime I spent at least,10 mins looking for that doc on Friday. Read it years ago.

hocuspontas · 01/05/2011 19:42

lol at that document! Worthy of The National Enquirer. Grin

SybilBeddows · 01/05/2011 19:44

it's a pity the ThroneOut link finishes with that phrase about 'a bunch of whores and adulterers', isn't it? Hmm
not very nice.

I would like to ditch the royal family but not on the basis of their sexual morality.

Yellowstone · 02/05/2011 00:14

iridium I'm sure William is very close to his Dad and loyalty would be bigger hurdle even than his own convenience.

Trouble is, if you're royal, you don't necessarily get to choose or dictate. Not here and not now. Surely that's part of the deal.

ll31 · 02/05/2011 02:02

I don't really get why people are so against Camilla - surely the "moral" fault is Charles' - if he was willing to have relationaship (or continue) relationship with Camilla then obv the marriage with Diana was over or non existent essentially...

I used always be sorry for Diana tho given her age when she married etc until she gave that interview re charles affairs.. and you're thinking her kids are in school prob hearing all this from their school mates... I always thought however unfairly that that was not a good think to do as their mother - and that whatever the difficulties with Charles which she had, her first priority shoujld have been her children...

but then its easy for us all to comment having no idea in reality of the actual relationships between all of these people!

diddl · 02/05/2011 08:23

"I don't really get why people are so against Camilla - surely the "moral" fault is Charles' "

They were both married at the time & both equally to blame.

nobetterthanthat · 02/05/2011 08:39

Camilla is always being blamed for what she did to Diana, not what she did to Andrew PB.

I think loads of people would have behaved the same.

Charles is married but in love with Camilla so his marriage is a bit shit, Diana seeks 'comfort' elsewhere, including married men and uses her small dcs as an excuse (taking boys to rugby matches while she is shagging the married captain). Diana's (understandable but not commendable) behavior makes Charles think well, why shouldn't he be with Camilla when Diana is seeing other people so he resumes his relationship with Camilla leaving Andrew PB free to spend more time with Rosemary, marrying her quickly after the divorce.

The tragedy of Diana is she never met 'the one' whereas Charles, Camilla, Andrew and Rosemary all seem happier with their 'new' partners. (except APB is now widowed, obv)

flippinada · 02/05/2011 10:25

I don't think anyone can deny that Diana was treated very cruelly by the Royal Family. Essentially she was selected as a suitable brood mare, wasn't she?

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