To think that actually folk would quite like a society where the other sex did as they were told?

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Don't claim to be an expert but it seems obvious to me in societies like Saudia Arabia and others it is very much a case of the males in charge. In all honesty surely men in UK or anywhere would be keen on laws which meant his children would never be taken away by an ex wife, where he had control of family finance and decisions, could be pretty sure his wife would never be unfaithful etc. Not just men of course, surely women would like the same sort of thing? Doesn't mean there is no love, respect, friendship of course but was just thinking that if you asked your partner (male or female) - "DP, would you like laws which meant...." etc etc they would have to answer yes if they were being honest. Or am I being pessimistic as to the amount of truly egalitarian humans in existence?

Perish the thought of men 'being in charge'. I honestly think so much less of importance would actually get done, and a vast majority of the population would be desperately unhappy.

In countries like Saudi Arabia (and when Afghanistan was ruled by the Taliban) it isn't only women and children that are unhappy, it's men too. People only persecute others when they are unhappy IMHO

I think that's the best and most appropriate use of 'end of' I've ever seen.

saudi is a very oppressed society for everyone apart from the ruling family, but especially for women

i really do not think many would want laws put in place that control women or men in such a way, why would they they not want to be with someone they see as their equal

Saudi Arabian princesses are very oppressed too.

I think most men in this country like people, not just women, who can think for themselves, make decisions by themselves and make choices for themselves. DH would hate to make all our decisions by himself, he's so bloody indecisive we need to be able to discuss thinks in order for me to get him to do what I want. [buwink]

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I think my dh would dislike it if women were oppressed regardless of how he felt about being "in charge" of me he would i think find it horrifying to see his daughters oppressed or mistreated by anyone so for that reason I think he would find that a horrifying world.

wait a minute, I'm confused, are we living in a world where women aren't oppressed at the moment?

'Just one of these random things that come into your head'

Well, there's no accounting for that, I suppose.

Mitchie we are not living in a world where women aren't oppressed, but for the great extent we are living in a country where women aren't oppressed.

well I prefer to go around being a bit disgruntled about the ways in which women continue to be oppressed in my country (uk) but is nice to know things are better elsewhere, no pay gap or violence for example

With rights come responsibilities.

I think actually, few people - of either sex - really, honestly, want to bear all the responsibilities. I want my DP to have rights, simply because that means we also share the responsibilities. As in, I don't want to be the only one who decides about what happens with DS, because that would mean I'd bear the burden of all the responsibility too.
Everyone who says that their DHs want to have an equal partner in them, it makes lots of sense from a cold rational perspective - it isn't just woolly altruism or something. It's about getting to share the responsibilities too. My parents have been to Saudi and talked to some locals and they admit it is a limited view they got, but they say some of the men they talked to resent having to bear all the responsibilities, while some of the women they talked to - upper class women with staff who run their households and such - didn't mind at all not having any rights, as they led carefree, responsibility-less comfortable lives.

Now if we are talking about having all the rights but being able to palm off the responsibility to others - that's another thing! Sadly, it's like that in some places and has been in many, historically. As in, husband makes all the decisions about which kids go to school, but if something goes wrong, wife is to blame. Husband wastes all the money, wive needs to make do and somehow feed the family.

I can't imagine that anyone would want to live in a world where they have no rights but lots of responsibility. On the other side, OP, I do think there would be quite a few people out there who would enjoy having all the rights as long as it wouldn't mean also having to bear all the responsibilities.

Expat, by "random" I meant just something I've been thinking about recently - not suggesting that oppression of women is a trivial subject. Think someone mentioned with all the uprisings in Egypt etc that there were very rarely women to be seen - I noticed that too and was pondering about cultural differences and how folk thought about them. I've never had a before

Well, I say 'End Of' quite a bit. I also say 'quoted for truth' 'crikey' and 'oh Fuck off'.

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