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To think it should be a red rose and not a bloody dragon...

66 replies

Chil1234 · 23/04/2011 15:14

... if it's supposed to represent St George's Day? Dragons are Welsh, surely?

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JaneS · 23/04/2011 15:33

.... and a Tudor rose isn't the red Lancastrian rose, it's a red and white rose mixed to symbolize the union of Elizabeth of York and Henry VII.

Can I have a smartarse emoticon now?

GypsyMoth · 23/04/2011 15:34

was the dragon slayed by st George red???

Becaroooo · 23/04/2011 15:34

suit of armour?????

Chil1234 · 23/04/2011 15:35

Change history???? WTF? If you look really closely on England rugby shirts etc. you'll see a red rose because that's the national symbol for England. Occasionally the red cross of St George and sometimes the three lions but, most commonly, the red rose. I know St George slayed the dragon in the myth but that's really not the point. Wales = daffodil or dragon. Scotland = thistle. Ireland = shamrock.

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EvenLessNarkyPuffin · 23/04/2011 15:38

Yes, it might have some white on it, but we still won Grin I agree that the dragon is historically associated with it, but I think using the dragon today seem odd. I saw it earlier and thought, 'It's not St.David's Day is it?' Then noticed it was St. George's day.

tribpot · 23/04/2011 15:38

St George is also the patron saint of Barcelona, where, on his day, red roses are given to women (and, erm, books are given to men). I have personally been given a red rose on St George's day by some yoof behind the til in MaccyD's in Barcelona. Bless 'im.

VinegarTits · 23/04/2011 15:39

but its not called National England day, its St George's day and he is most famous for murdering a dragon (not sure what colour it was, i wasnt there at the time)

JaneS · 23/04/2011 15:40

Tiffany, are you asking me if dragons are real? Grin

nickelbaalamb · 23/04/2011 15:40

it is the point.

there was a huge discussion on this, and the consensus was that the Dragon was the most appropriate.
if you didn't put your point forward then, then it's your own fault [buwink]
(rather like those who don't vote and then moan about the government)

VinegarTits · 23/04/2011 15:41

and you could argue that St Davids day should be a dragon instead of a daffodil, but its not

nickelbaalamb · 23/04/2011 15:41

Dragons aren't real now, they've all been slain.

they're extinct

(I'm not getting into a myth/history argument over the prior existance of dragons, because it cna't be proved)

JaneS · 23/04/2011 15:42

Tell you what, why don't those of you who don't like it, instead think of the dragon as a symbol in honour of a certain poster too modest to name herself? Wink

Collision · 23/04/2011 15:43

Does this work?

budragon

GypsyMoth · 23/04/2011 15:43

they arent all red littlereddragon.......and the one we've been given looks odd,do you look like that one??Grin no i bet you dont!!

it looks like....loch ness monster......or...something else!!

Collision · 23/04/2011 15:43

[budragon]

Collision · 23/04/2011 15:43

booooooooooooooo!

Chil1234 · 23/04/2011 15:44

Didn't see any 'huge discussion' I'm afraid. Just slightly dismayed that the closest thing to an English national day is commemorated with a Welsh symbol. What was the symbol used for St Patrick's day?

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EvenLessNarkyPuffin · 23/04/2011 15:45

So St Andrew gets the tam o shanter, St. David gets a daffodil, St. Patrick gets a shamrock and St. George gets ... a dragon?????

EvenLessNarkyPuffin · 23/04/2011 15:47

For Patrick's day the two suggestions were a pint of Guinness or a shamrock. Andrew's may have been a thistle, not sure.

BinEnd · 23/04/2011 15:48

Before I put my lenses in - I thought it looked like a sock Grin

JaneS · 23/04/2011 15:48

It does have a bit of Nessie look, you're right tiffany. Ah well!

Chil, it's not just a Welsh symbol, and you do know that rugby shirts are- just possibly - not the most venerable or reliable source of info? Grin

Chil1234 · 23/04/2011 15:50

I gave the rugby shirt as an example where the national symbol - the red rose - appears because I can't believe some seem to be doubting me about the rose. :) I'm even going to post a link to the National Emblems of Britain. This is schoolkid stuff, surely?

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EvenLessNarkyPuffin · 23/04/2011 15:54

Yep. It's a stupid idea to have a dragon. And for those saying it's about the Saint not the country, Guinness suggested for Ireland!

EvenLessNarkyPuffin · 23/04/2011 15:56

And the daffodil for the Welsh is a way more recent symbol than the rose for the English.

EvenLessNarkyPuffin · 23/04/2011 15:58

And apparenty the English dragon was supposed to be white!