To think it should be a red rose and not a bloody dragon...

[Chil1234]

... if it's supposed to represent St George's Day? Dragons are Welsh, surely?

.... and a Tudor rose isn't the red Lancastrian rose, it's a red and white rose mixed to symbolize the union of Elizabeth of York and Henry VII.

Can I have a smartarse emoticon now?

was the dragon slayed by st George red???

suit of armour?????

Change history???? WTF? If you look really closely on England rugby shirts etc. you'll see a red rose because that's the national symbol for England. Occasionally the red cross of St George and sometimes the three lions but, most commonly, the red rose. I know St George slayed the dragon in the myth but that's really not the point. Wales = daffodil or dragon. Scotland = thistle. Ireland = shamrock.

Yes, it might have some white on it, but we still won I agree that the dragon is historically associated with it, but I think using the dragon today seem odd. I saw it earlier and thought, 'It's not St.David's Day is it?' Then noticed it was St. George's day.

St George is also the patron saint of Barcelona, where, on his day, red roses are given to women (and, erm, books are given to men). I have personally been given a red rose on St George's day by some yoof behind the til in MaccyD's in Barcelona. Bless 'im.

but its not called National England day, its St George's day and he is most famous for murdering a dragon (not sure what colour it was, i wasnt there at the time)

Tiffany, are you asking me if dragons are real?

it is the point.

there was a huge discussion on this, and the consensus was that the Dragon was the most appropriate.
if you didn't put your point forward then, then it's your own fault [buwink]
(rather like those who don't vote and then moan about the government)

and you could argue that St Davids day should be a dragon instead of a daffodil, but its not

Dragons aren't real now, they've all been slain.

they're extinct

(I'm not getting into a myth/history argument over the prior existance of dragons, because it cna't be proved)

Tell you what, why don't those of you who don't like it, instead think of the dragon as a symbol in honour of a certain poster too modest to name herself?

Does this work?

budragon

they arent all red littlereddragon.......and the one we've been given looks odd,do you look like that one?? no i bet you dont!!

it looks like....loch ness monster......or...something else!!

[budragon]

booooooooooooooo!

Didn't see any 'huge discussion' I'm afraid. Just slightly dismayed that the closest thing to an English national day is commemorated with a Welsh symbol. What was the symbol used for St Patrick's day?

So St Andrew gets the tam o shanter, St. David gets a daffodil, St. Patrick gets a shamrock and St. George gets ... a dragon?????

For Patrick's day the two suggestions were a pint of Guinness or a shamrock. Andrew's may have been a thistle, not sure.

Before I put my lenses in - I thought it looked like a sock

It does have a bit of Nessie look, you're right tiffany. Ah well!

Chil, it's not just a Welsh symbol, and you do know that rugby shirts are- just possibly - not the most venerable or reliable source of info?

I gave the rugby shirt as an example where the national symbol - the red rose - appears because I can't believe some seem to be doubting me about the rose. :) I'm even going to post a link to the National Emblems of Britain. This is schoolkid stuff, surely?

Yep. It's a stupid idea to have a dragon. And for those saying it's about the Saint not the country, Guinness suggested for Ireland!

And the daffodil for the Welsh is a way more recent symbol than the rose for the English.

And apparenty the English dragon was supposed to be white!