to think the solution in the current climate is to stop free handouts and stop praising those who are to lazy to work?

[Aiieyaayaii]

I can' t believe how bad the economy is, how the Uk is becoming crowded with Migrants with some that dont even work or participate, having Brits that dont want to work because there better off on benefits. I think Italy has a great strategy if you dont work you dont get paid basta?

hush your mouth.

That's grounds for divorce, that is!

Yes, it was awful having it hang over us all the time. Knowing that at any point they could tell us he had to go. We'd then have had to stay without him, or pack up and go with him, or let him go back, reapply from there and hope for the best.

It's horrible to just live with that for so many years. Not knowing. Glad it's over now.

Hecate no, don't share lol ! just glad you got it fixed in the end .

That one year for us was enough ,well done.

Are we suggesting that JK should be deported? I'd vote for that.

I'd vote for sending him off in an inflatable dinghy with a slow puncture.

Thanks Hecate for a voice of reason!

I can never understand why benefits starts a bunfight! For people who are on low income who need support to survive the support should be there. For people who lose their job, the support should be there. For people like the charming man in our area (Derby) who has around 18 kids by 3 women and complained that the government weren't giving him a big enough house (he was on one of those Ann Widecombe sorts out the UK programmes a couple of years ago), I think, why should my taxes support him? Why should people like him have loads of kids and expect others to support them? It's not like they're adding to society, his offspring are already constantly in trouble and not even out of teens yet. I would rather my money goes to keeping libraries open so those who are on tight budgets have access to books, or to raising standards in schools, or to someone who has been made redundant and is struggling to find another job.

As for the immigration, I've worked in HR in a meat packing plant and if you had to rely on a UK workforce you would not be finding any meat on the shelves in your supermarket! Roughly 80% of workforce were on limited leave to remain. We had to bus in from the nearest town to the plant and the local rag often used to take pictures of our guys waiting for the bus for the next article on "all those illegal immigrants coming over here and taking our benefits"

Sorry, long one.

That was about your 1st post Hecate but fitted quite nicely in with th JK one by the time I'd hit post! [bugrin]

Hecate, your family situation does sound quite complicated, and I hope it's now all sorted out.

I also agree with Lara2, because my mother was an immigrant too, and even though she worked in the UK for about 25 years minutes, she was clearly a lazy cow who had nothing else better to do other than work and bring up her children. So thank god she was not entitled to any pension here, as that would have been truly unreasonable.

However, I do absolutely also agree with this:
nobiggy Fri 22-Apr-11 15:19:43
I think employers who don't pay a fair living wage, instead leaving the taxpayer to provide benefits to their employees to make up the shortfall should be ashamed, the greedy bastards.

Hmm, Italy with the high levels of corruption?yes a fine example of that particular system working.

Calling the OP (can't be bothered with all those unnecessary vowels) a Daily Mail reader is insulting to all those right minded, tolerant Daily Mail readers! [bugrin]

think there is more to citizenship than paying taxes - if you are on benfits but contribute to community etc aren't you doing something good? anyone living on benfits is living on not much - could you live on what they do? think as country you decide on immigration rules and then that is it.

Where is the dignity & pride in not working hard for money? I am for a multicultural society it contributes in the restaurant sectors, social activities, shops etc that is great, what is also beneficial is having qualified consultants, pharmacists and lawyers however just to want to live somewhere for free is not on. If I was to go to Spain tomorow I wouldn' t get anything the UK is going downhill and these factors do contribute and no wonder its in a big mess as alot of people are in denial!

I think the OP in a bit daft - and ill informed

oh and labour didn't actually create the whole global economic crisis either - just so you know :)

Yeah, bloody migrants, almost as bad as gypsies, guardian readers and the libdems.... but don't get me started on the disabled or those who simply cannot find work. I'd have them all exported personally or maybe even killed - don't want to put a strain on the nhs.

The OP just wants a country free of all those dirty consonantals, coming here and taking the jobs of us vowels.

OP, so you know the word 'basta'. Good for you.

Now learn how to spell they're FFS.

So a foreign waiter is ok but not a foreign doctor?

I just can't resist praising those who are too lazy to work. Sometimes I buy them small treats too. They like Heat magazine and sugar lumps. The little scamps.

Italy may have a great strategy at not paying benefits but they do not treat people as equal. Black people or polish people are only allowed jobs like washing windscreens at traffic lights or selling things on streets and the newspapers advertising jobs state no blacks or Italian only.
How they earn a living i dont know and before anyone says this isnt true i have visited Southern Italy a number of times and was shocked at how some people are treated and it is seen as normal. How can it be fair not to pay someone unemployment benefit when certain people wont ever be able to get a well paid job?

Groan...

You are ignorant OP, and Basta means enough or stop in Italian, so I dunno what you were meaning to say in your OP

Who gets praised for being too lazy to work?

And why are immigrants and benefit claimants perceived to be one and the same?

And why are benefit claimants perceived to be too lazy to work?

And we're not that skint you know. Proportional to our GDP, the defecit is smaller than it has been for 200 of the last 250 years. The global downturn in the economy is hardly the Labour government's fault!

God, I hate this sort of I'll-informed, racist shit being countered out like it's common bloody sense. It's nonsense.

Ahem, ill not I'll ....

Besides, after spending 4 years within a large cross section of the expat Italian community here in Britain, I can honestly say that from my experience, most Italians who come here complain about their economy and job market back home. A lot of young Italians come here to get jobs, not just study. And Italy is a right wing country, you cannot compare it to Britain when it comes to immigration. Their problems with immigration are very different to here in Britain.

Also, how many immigrants do you know OP?

For those of you who found it as difficult as I did to read Aiieyaayaii's last post, I've done my best to sprinkle over a pinch of grammar.

"Sun 24-Apr-11 12:10:52
Where is the dignity & pride in not working hard for money? I am for a multicultural society as it contributes in the restaurant sectors, social activities, shops etc. That is great. What is also beneficial is having qualified consultants, pharmacists and lawyers. However, just to want to live somewhere for free is not on. If I were to go to Spain tomorow I wouldn't get anything. The UK is going downhill and these factors do contribute. No wonder its in a big mess as alot of people are in denial!"

Supermoo @ 14:28 - This is an under-reported fact. But facts are nowhere near as useful as politically inspired rhetoric about scroungers.