To agree with some of the cuts being made

[lesley33]

Obviously I mean cuts being made by the Government. I have been reading stories in the press about some of the cuts being made that have examples of people who will suffer because of these. Some I don't agree with, but with some that you are obviously supposed to sympathise with I think, well thats fair enough cutting that. Fine in an ideal world, but hardly a necessity.

For example, I totally disagree with cuts to speech therapy and physiotherapy - always seems to be undervalued when it comes to public funding.

But some charging for services to disbled people seems fair enough. Lots of these services such as a local bus pass that gives free transport to disabled people came into being before DLA. But now DLA exists, surely this should be used to pay for things like this?

Also read stories about people not getting DLA in spite of disabilities. Lots of people don't seem to understand you get DLA not just because you are disabled, but because you need help with everyday tasks such as bathing, cooking, etc. If people don't need help, then no they shouldn't get DLA whatever their disability.
AIBU?

My OH gets the higher rate DLA which he uses to lease his car.
He doesnt have a bus pass as well. What the fecking use would it be? He couldnt use public transport if you paid him, never mind if it were free.

If he loses his higher rate, he loses his car. If he loses his car he will not be able to get to work. He would not be able to get to work because he is on a low income. He is on a low income because he works part time. He works part time because .....wait for it......he has a disability!

Do you see how this works Lesley ?

He is one of those people who 'doesnt look disabled'. He is also a proud bloke so I expect him to do spectacularly badly if he is re-assessed for DLA.

If he loses his job (because of losing his car) the chances of him getting another one are pretty much nil (because people just love employing those with degenerative conditions dont they). He will then have to go on benefits. I will have to leave my part time job because its not enough hours to qualify for WTC.

The strain of having to do school runs and childcare will worsen OH's condition and I will have to then care for him full time.

So instead of two working, tax paying parents. My kids will have two , non working parents.

BTW if you havent ever applied for DLA how do you know you wouldnt get it?

Yeah Dial a Ride! Who needs a personal mobility allowance when you can book a minibus ride a week in advance if you want to go out?

You know, like all the 'normal' people have to do

Yes, I agree with some of the changes too. Not DLA really - tbh as far as I'm concerned you could take quite a lot away from other areas and hand it to carers. By quite a lot, I mean I don't care how much. But a lot of money has been spent creating quite a dysfunctional society, so, not very well spent.

I think the last cuts made should be to the disabled and children. With the operations the military are currently understaking there is going to be large increase in the number of servicemen and woman who need support to live with some dignity still intact. I had the joy of visiting the military ward at Selly Oak Hospital and was shocked to see how many men were missing limbs (ie both legs and an arm). The care that these men deserve doesn't come cheap.

I am disappointed to hear that the cuts are not being made in other areas such as providing leaflets in other languages than English (should only be available online), salaries for local government management etc.

I haven't read this thread so apologies if it's been said. But I think the govt missed out on the benefits given to senior citizens.

As far as I'm aware, (correct me if I'm wrong) they aren't means tested which means a millionaire senior citizen will get a freedom pass, a winter fuel payment, etc , etc.

I don't read the DM - the guardian actually.

Of course thefirst your husband should get DLA to lease his car. And lots of disabled people I know don't look disabled. As I have said previously I think DLA is a great benefit.

I have also said the stories I have read about people not getting DLA, have not been in the right wing press - they have actually been in the left wing press.

And of course I wouldn't be entitled to DLA - I and my OH don't need help to do everyday tasks.

Disagree with me if you want,but please read what I have actually written.

YANBU - our council once recruited a nappy advisor at a cost of £25k.... What a waste of money! Sorry but I hope that job goes ..... There are too many government non-jobs which should be cut rather than cutting stuff like speech therapy.

the government hasn't imposed cuts, just REDUCTION IN SPENDING. we are not paying back our massive deficit, we are still adding to it.

'And of course I wouldn't be entitled to DLA - I and my OH don't need help to do everyday tasks.

Disagree with me if you want,but please read what I have actually written.'

The way you read everyone else's posts, since it's been state over and over again that you don't need to have help to do everyday tasks to qualify for DLA. Or that people like mrsdevere's spouse are probably not going to get the car anymore because he's going to lose the compenent he needs to qualify for it.

expat I cut and pasted directly from the government website about DLA which does say it is about help with everyday tasks - which can include supervision. Everyday tasks can include getting out of the house to socialise or shop - hence the mobility part of it. Find me anything that says DLA is given because you are disabled - it just isn't.

mrsdevere doesn't say her OH isn't going to get the car. She posts about the consequences of not having the car - and of course her OH should have this.

[bangs head against wall]

You just don't get it, do you? And, after the stereotype thread, I'm not sure you ever will.

Below again I have posted what DLA is for directly from a govt website. If people don't need care, which can include supervsion and support, or problems with mobility,then they are not entitled to DLA.

"Disability Living Allowance has two parts called 'components':

?a care component - if you need To get the care component of Disability Living Allowance (DLA), your disability must be severe enough for you to either:

?need help with things such as washing, dressing, eating, getting to and using the toilet, or communicating your needs
?need supervision to avoid you putting yourself or others in substantial danger
?need someone with you when you are on dialysis
?be unable to prepare a cooked main meal for yourself (if you have the ingredients), if you are aged 16 or over
help looking after yourself or supervision to keep you safe
?a mobility component - if you can't walk or find it very hard to walk, or you need help getting around..."

And no I don't get it. Tell me what I have posted in my last post that is wrong?

It would be like teaching a dog to read: a pointless endeavour.

I'd consider agreeing with cuts to Child Benefit IF it was dojne failry, not in a way that some famillies lost out on a lower income than others

CTF- probably agree; nice idea but......

The DLA: it;s how ti will be cut for me. ATOS. DS1 needs 24/7 supervision, backed up by the need for a specialist palcement at senior school, but his ASD is not visible and we know we will struggle for DLA renewal bext eyar becuase ATOS are all about the visible. DS1 has ASD, but holding it togetehr for a visit by an unfamiliar ATOS assessor may be possible: the beating i will get after is guaranteed.

We shall see.

We've also lost a lot of our help; to clarify, we have 2 with autism and we were told yesterday that ds4 has to be referred becuase he is showing asd traits (echolalia, atypical point) and failed his developmental check yesterday. The holiday provision ahs been reduced from 6 ti 2 hours: was for all kkds not just SN, SN kdis got extra help though. So two hours, with the boys unable to attend togetehr becuase of how ds1 treats ds3, meant a possible timetable of:

9.30 - 10.45: on the road dropping off ds1

11.30: 12.45: collecting ds3

12.30- 1.30: dropping ds1

3.30 - 4.30 collecting ds1

with another possiby asd child and one with ADD / dyspraxia kicking of in the car alongside me.

So, we lose the help for one child.... had to be ds1 as ds3 depends on the routine: more bruises pour moi!

I have a new Carer's Assessment coming up; I know what the answer will be. Always the same: Mum is capable and will find a way to cope, no help needed. not so sure myself: DH is in counselling at his college, I would be if I could get childcare on the day the GP offers it. I had a plan involving returning to work but who knows with a new possible dx and DH has been advised to consider a Phd; I did start to apck my bags last ight after the HV told me about the dx but I;d miss the kids too much and I love DH.

So cuts or no cuts heck, i'm 37, i'll be dead within 70 years (my lot go to 90). That's not forever. One day I might get some sleep, even if it's permanent.

Please don't just insult me expat - I'm not stupid. I genuinely want to know why you think DLA is not just for help with every day tasks and mobility? But I guess its easier just to insult than to actually debate a point.

You're not debating. You're just spraffing. And you're being incredibly insulting just as you were on your other thread.

Again, another poster just explained again in detail, which again you'll fail to process.

And actually youa re right about DLA being given just for disability. I think in many ways that's good: otherwise people couldn;t get help until they got a DX (something like 60% of kids locally with SN never do) and it absolutely should be absed on actual need.

problem is this:

DLA- lowest fraud rate by Government figures (0.5%)
DLA- government estimate 40% underclaim
DLA- Government have set target to cut bexpenditure on it by 20%

Anyone who can read a basic statistic must see that people who are not fraudulent and have a real need will lose. I sugest (and am fairly knowledgeable, both professionally and personally) that people with non visible disability, those with MH issues etc will be those who lose out.

the disability forums talk of people who have already killed themselves following ATOS assessment for ESA; I don;t know how credible that is but people are scared. Genuine people, who hang out on disability forums. ATOS is not staffed by medics or nurses; most will be below my level of SN training. I couldn;t tell what someone's difficulties are in a 30 minute session!. The stats i foudn were that 70% of ATOS refusals for ESA were overturned at appeal with an advocate's help; 30% without. The Government pulled access to legal aid for that ourpose. fabbo!

Oh and let me clarify:

It is AWARDED for needs related to care etc but can be used for a variety of toehr reasons- for example, to by furniture that the boys have trashed, memebership of the lcoal farm park because it's the only fenced in play area we can use, occasional trips outbecuase despite being 11 ds1 can't go out with his mates like all the other kids (small village, uber safe).

It's absolutely how theya ward it but it's there to allow for the basics- special diets for example- the helpfuls, a car as we don't get HRM but do need one to access the different SNU's we send them to- and the stuff that makes their lives as good as the other kid's.

'the government hasn't imposed cuts, just REDUCTION IN SPENDING'

frantic semantics: services have been cut

SanctiMoanyArse

That's why loads of centres for disabled are under threat of closure.

DS is 16 and still doesn't have an 'official diagnosis' was informed this last week that in our area loads of kids are moving onto adult services with no diagnosis because they don't want to label them.
One of the reasons DS gets DLA is for the reasons you mention it costs a fortune to replace damaged goods.It also allows us to get someone in to look after him so I can spend much deserved time with DD2 who is 15 as she puts up with so much crap.

I know borders, trust me I do

I currently pay £60 to someone so i can leave the younger duo in her care once a month and spend time with DH and older ds's, doing what used to be our weekly hobby but isn;t a safe enough environment for ds3 9and never will be), or ds4 yet 9and we don;t know he will progress)

I don;t know how much longer I can continue this with the rising prices of everything; it's pretty much the last fun I have with the boys. I have told SW that if they can palce ds2 in Young carers i will forego social support cillingly as ds2 is struggling badly now but even that seems to mean a wait of years.

I was going to post further but I see its a waste of time.