to think these Gardai (Police) are the scum of the earth?

[MadMags]

Hello all,

First time posting. I'm that horrified that I've come out of lurk-land for this.

Background:

Gardai (Police) in Mayo, Ireland arrest 2 women who are protesting at the site of Shell Oil. One of the women had a video camera. While the women were being escorted to the station in Gardai cars, the video camera continued to record in a car which held a Sergeant as well as other policemen.

When the woman got her camera back the next day she reviewed the material and heard the entire conversation from the car, although the screen is mostly back since the camera was in a bag. The gardai, instigated by the sergeant make several references to raping one of the women!

Bascially, along the lines of Sergeant: "give me your name and address or I'll rape you". Garda: "Ah now Jim, she's been living in that crusty camp, you wouldn't know what you'd catch".

And several other comments along the lines of "give me your name or I'll rape you" and "I'll rape you anyway".

There is a video and the conversation in question is at about 13 minutes, 30 seconds in.

vimeo.com/21952231

Sorry this is so long but I am OUTRAGED! This is disgusting. I'm shocked and can't help but feel that I would hate to have to report a vile, sexual assault to these "men". I'm not sure yet what will happen to the gardai in question.

I am surely not BU!

Dearie me, total facepalm thinking Belfast is in Ireland rather than the UK. Its not worth engaging with such a racist really.

Nijinsky are you sure you went to university? Sounds more like a psychiatric hospital "every single one I ever met was either borderline alcoholic, suffered from some sort of psychological problem (usually depression or stress) or was generally a bit of a nutter"!

nijinsky it is Gardai,not police.
im baffled as to where all these awful irish people are because they are certainly not widespread in ireland.
and i have never had or been asked for anal sex.

and yes i think you need to brush up on your geography.you may find that a recent survey showed that 64% of ROI residents wanted a new abortion referendum.

......Nijinsky are you sure you went to university? Sounds more like a psychiatric hospital "every single one I ever met was either borderline alcoholic, suffered from some sort of psychological problem (usually depression or stress) or was generally a bit of a nutter"!.......

doesn't that just describe,er, students?

Ooh dear this thread turned bad

"Er, off, like its any different to the UK in this respect?"

I live in Ireland and the Gardai ARE very different to Police in europe
the are so rude, lazy and dumb it's unreal. They are involved in running prostitution (rape), armed robbery, drug dealing etc. And They also have a histroy of framing people who don't pay them bribes as found in the tribunal.
And these scumbags are paid over 100,000 euro each per year by the taxpayers of the E.U. and we have 13,000 Gardai but the same population as Manchester?
One of the Gardai had his legs wraped around the young lady on her arrest were they then making comments about raping this young lady to sound out the responce from their co-Gardai, if so this lady had a very lucky escape probably because she is from the U.S.

"I live in Ireland and the Gardai ARE very different to Police in europe
the are so rude, lazy and dumb it's unreal. They are involved in running prostitution (rape), armed robbery, drug dealing etc. And They also have a histroy of framing people who don't pay them bribes as found in the tribunal.
And these scumbags are paid over 100,000 euro each per year by the taxpayers of the E.U. and we have 13,000 Gardai but the same population as Manchester?
One of the Gardai had his legs wraped around the young lady on her arrest were they then making comments about raping this young lady to sound out the responce from their co-Gardai, if so this lady had a very lucky escape probably because she is from the U.S.
"

This is a well reasoned and thought out point

Why are the Gardai, the Servants of the people' through the newly mandated Government of Ireland doing the bidding of a huge Multinational corporation like Shell? Certainly not with the approval of the vast majority of Irish citizens.

The background here is women protesting against an enourmous multinational company that made crooked deals with crooked politicians (since discredited) to hand away billions of euros/sterling worth of gas and oil without any permission from the democratic citizens of this nation?

Meanwhile 4 million people with even less taxpayers are supposed to cop the blame for 100 billion worth of bank fraud?

Women are torn from the protest for totally flimsy charges (while fat cat bankers/politicians/senior bondholders/civil servants walk free)

The rape talk is just an example of how much contempt the Gardai in have been allowed treat these women. I think things will change now.

Yes the police in Naples etc. we All know about them, and thats the point and of course there is lot's of very good police in Naples as in Ireland. But until we are open about how rotten the Gardai are, we cannot begin to deal with the problem like they are in Naples.
As For the police man in London he is in court were he belongs. We have had many deaths in Garda stations,
Threatening to Rape women on behalf of Shell oil is not the norm in Europe maybe libya.
As for the Irish "stereotype" what about the case last year were a man was convicted of rape in ireland only for a line of 50 men from listowel to queue up to shake his hand in the courtroom after he was sentenced at the Circuit Criminal Court in Tralee to seven years in all in front of his victim(Irish Times). Where would that happen in europe? Would the police in court in naples allow that to happen.
Some stereotypes are true like the ones about Irish priests and children no it is time to shine a light of the Gardai.

"Threatening to Rape women on behalf of Shell oil is not the norm in Europe maybe libya."
It's also not what has happened here.

"As for the Irish "stereotype" what about the case last year were a man was convicted of rape in ireland only for a line of 50 men from listowel to queue up to shake his hand in the courtroom after he was sentenced at the Circuit Criminal Court in Tralee to seven years in all in front of his victim"
No idea what the actions of the general public has to do with the Gardaì or the courts

Find a point and run with it, you're far too confused to make any actual sense.

Wow did not expect this thread to become about racism?

Irish stereotyping aside, if they were to get away with this and I'm pretty sure they will, it wouldn't be the first time Gardai have been allowed to carry on scandalously which is what I have a problem with.

On a related note, there was a protest held today at the police station by about 100 people organised (for some PR reasons I would imagine) by Shell Oil. The Gardai involved are on desk duty.

I personally think an example needs to be made of these men. Yes, it was a private conversation that wasn't supposed to be heard but it WAS heard and if this is the vile sense of humour they possess then they shouldn't be in a job where investigation of sexual assault is part of the job description. They especially shouldn't be dealing with victims of rape given it's a joke to them.

Some things are just never, ever funny.

Sorry to dig up an old thread but this is the most recent development.
www.independent.ie/national-news/rape-claims-were-hurled-at-gardai-by-protesters-2800104.html

Essentially at the moment the claim (and that's all I can call it at the moment as the tape has not been released to the public nor has the ombudsman ruled on the issue) is that the gardai who were heard making jokes about rape following the arrest had had abuse put to them which intimated that they were raping the woman while in the process of the arrest (this can apparently be heard on tape so is not really in dispute however who made the claims/the extent of them is not really clear from the article linked) despite being in public and in close proximity of female gardai.
The claim of their defence is that this contextualises the "jokes" they were making and rather than being unprompted comments which would suggest that such comments formed the norm/acceptable position of the gardai they were in fact mocking the ludicrous claims of the protestors recently made while effecting the arrest.

Context matters yes, but surely as Police, joking about rape whilst arresting women is extremely stupid and they should know better. Responding to shouts in that matter is just fucking ridiculous.

Well it wasn't quite while arresting the women. They didn't hear protestors accuse them of rape and then make some open retort/quip/get involved in a direct slanging match.
They were accused of rape while arresting the woman. The woman was then placed in a van (as far as I can recall) and when the arresting officers were back in their own car alone they were overheard by the womans confiscated camcorder which was still running making jokes/comments/slurs (delete as appropriate) about rape of the woman.
The woman/protest group (I'm honestly not sure who first released the audio) released this part but not the earleir part where protestors accused the gardai of rape while they were effecting the arrest which is where the argument over context comes in.

They might get done for breaking the Eleventh Commandment - Thou shalt not get caught.

The police (gardai) shouldn't joke about raping women. It's outrageous and it doesn't matter what the hell the 'context' is, nothing justifies that kind of behaviour. It wouldn't be acceptable outside work, but FFS, while they are actually on duty?