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to think that having a child at the same school as their parents teach at is not fair

125 replies

receiverofopiniongiver · 01/04/2011 19:50

on the child, other children or other teachers?

Disadvantages for the child:-
To demonstrate no favourtism the child is not chosen for anything
If the teacher is unpopular then the child gets it
If the child is chosen for anything then they've either got to be tons better than their classmates or it's only due to them 'being teacher's child'.

Disadvantages for other children:-
If any problems with other child can't go to teacher, as going to their parent so not neutral
If do anything (even minor) to upset the child, will feel the wrath of the teacher more

Disadvantages for other teachers:-
If don't pick child - work colleageue gets upset
If do pick child - accused of favortism
If any problems with child - more difficult as accusing colleague

What are the advantages to the school community in having a teacher's child at the same school as they teach?

OP posts:
unknownrebelbang · 01/04/2011 20:13

What would you suggest occurs Receiver?

Goblinchild · 01/04/2011 20:13

What about teachers that faint at the sight of blood? Grin
I have a colleague who is unable to cope with a paper cut on a child, let alone a burning coach crash.

Lookandlearn · 01/04/2011 20:13

Op, the problems you describe may exist, but I bet they're not the only ones. Sounds like a weak head and a poor school tbh. If it weren't probs with teachers' children something else would show up the flaws. Can all work very well indeed. Professional teachers and strong leaders make most situations work positively.

Lizzywishes · 01/04/2011 20:21

Lots of staff kids in the independent where I teach and it's not an issue. It's the best school in the area and we get a good discount - we'd be mad not to send them. Very few problems that I'm aware of. Most
people see it as quite normal.

xStarGirl · 01/04/2011 20:22

My best mate at primary school was the daughter of one of the Reception teachers. It made no difference whatsoever, her mum treated her the same as any other child. She separated out "mummy" from "teacher" quite well, but then again she was a very sensible woman and amazing teacher.

The only thing my friend got out of it was the cushy Reception "monitoring" job in Y6! (did anyone else's school have this? Helping out teachers during breaktime?)

But then, I can see some unscrupulous teachers abusing iy, which is awful.
You're still being U, though.

babybythesea · 01/04/2011 20:23

I was a child at the primary school where my mum taught. It was organised though so I was never in her class, although on days when there were issues (snow meaning only a few kids and staff came in, for example) I might end up with her for a day. It was never really an issue. The only thing I hated was the fact that I arrived at school at 8.00 - hours before my friends - and left at 5.30. I wanted to be one of the kids whose mums stood at the gates and then walked home at a normal time! I loved it when I got old enough to have a key and walk home on my own! I called her mum at school - everyone knew she was anyway so there was no point calling her anything else, but looking back I never really seemed to call her anything - I don't remember having a huge amount of contact with her. I had one boy once telling me he'd beat me up because my mum had told him off but I don't remember being scared by it and it never happened. The only other thing I can remember vividly is that one of the other staff let slip in an assembly what my middle name was. I hated it, and had not revealed it to anyone (i must have been about 9 at this stage). It was to do with traditions and things handed down, and she said names could be and gave me as the example - my middle name is an old family one. She wouldn't have known that if she hadn't been one of my mum's best friends! I was mortified. Definitely the worst thing that happened as a result of being at school where my mum taught, and where most of the staff were good friends of hers!!

NessyBay · 01/04/2011 20:25

YAB completely U.

I went to my mum's school and I am a teacher who teaches plenty of of my colleague's children. Teachers are professionals who deal with such situations well and why the hell shouldn't they go to their school..they are parents with choice like the rest of us.

stoatie · 01/04/2011 20:26

My mum was an assistant at my middle school (junior school), at least three teachers had children in the school at the time, as did the school secretary. No great advantages/disadvantages (ok we all got decent parts in school play - not leads mind) and I had to be a model child behaviour wise - no point in messing about as mum got to know everything.
If I saw mum - she was in library mainly, i called her mum, it wasn't unusual for other kids to call her mum as well - my friends always called her Stoatie's mum (never tended to call her by first name out of school either). Only drawback, both mime and mum's first name start with same letter - I got good at being called by her name by mistake!
Deputy head teacher's child goes to DD2s school (might be other teacher's children as well) - I suppose it is a positive reflection on the school - imagine if she thought school was crap she would send her son elsewhere

BehindLockNumberNine · 01/04/2011 20:40

I am a TA at my dc's junior school.
Last year my ds was at the school (now at secondary) and he was treated no different.

The only downside was that once he misbehaved and his teacher told me about it purely because we were sitting side by side in the staff room at the time. The incident was so minor she would not have found me at the gate after school to tell me about it had I been a 'normal' mum.
The upside is that dd (in Y3 so just started at the school) once produced a good piece of work and her lovely teacher took it into the staffroom to show me. Again, had I been a 'normal' mum I may not have seen the piece of work until parent's evening.

Today dd came knocking at the staff room door at lunchtime because she had had a falling out with her friend. I told her I was not 'mum' at school and she had to talk to her class teacher about it.
I am very clear about how much involvement I can have with dd at school. I don't want to be there in a 'mum' capacity for minor things such as a silly spat with her best friend (which was all sorted by the end of the day)

I work predominantly in Y4. Next year dd will be in Y4 so I think I will get moved out of Y4. I will probably move into Y5 going with my current Y4 charges. I don't want to work in the same yeargroup as dd, not just because it may be awkward for her but also her friends.

But overall, no problems. Our school is large (nearly 300 pupils in Y3 - 6) so it is easy for staff to be re-shuffled to avoid their dc's yeargroups.

I have noticed no favouritism. Honestly none. Neither have the staff's children be positively ignored in order to avoid accusations of favouritism.

We are all a bit more grown up than that I like to think Smile

bulby · 01/04/2011 20:55

I've taught loads of staff children and there has never been an issue. It's interesting that everyone with experience of this says there are 'no' problems and people without seem to be making 'this could happen' type problems that noone with experience has reported happening. My rule on speakingcto other staff about pupils is that if I wouldn't phone home about it I won't speak to the teacher about it.

Al1son · 01/04/2011 21:13

How about childminders then? They are caring for their own children alongside other people's and OP's points apply.

Can we be trusted to behave in a professional manner? If so, why not teachers?

gapbear · 01/04/2011 22:02

Jobs are thin on the ground. I'm not giving up my income because somebody has a weird, ill-informed issue about me as a professional.

Neither will I remove my children who have been there since Reception. Apart from being very disruptive to their education, the other parents would be up in arms, demanding to know what was so bad about the school that I was showing no confidence in it.

I am sensible. My children are sensible. Why should we suffer because of narrow minded people like the OP?
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exoticfruits · 01/04/2011 22:17

People make their own decisions to suit them. Some find it works well and some wouldn't want to do it. I don't see what it has to do with anyone else!

StarlightMcKenzie · 01/04/2011 22:23

My Mum and Dad did a job share on a class that I was in for a year.

That was interesting..........

PinkCanary · 01/04/2011 22:59

I'm a TA working in my DD's year 2 class. I'm primarily there to support a statemented child so I will move up with them every year. I do wonder if it could become an issue by yr 6 but presently it works really well.
However I've been a Childminder since she was 11 months old so she's quite used to sharing me and not receiving favouritism. This experience demonstrated to the Head that I'd be able to cope well in this situation. My DD has never once called me mummy in the school setting (unlike my long term mindee also in the class who has slipped up over my name a few times!)

berylmuspratt · 01/04/2011 23:07

My DS is at a small rural school and I work there in the office, I show no favouritism, apart from waving at him through my office window, but I wave at the other children too :) There is a teacher who has a couple of children there too and the lunchtime supervisors have children or grandchildren in school, it's the nature of a small village school.

wendyfromtheyard · 01/04/2011 23:08

My dc go to my school. I have always requested they are not in my class but there has never been an issue. Infact ds made chocolate apples for his class at halloween and I carried them in to his class. His teacher said a few of the children where asking why is mrs x bringing x's stuff in? They never realised I was his mum and he is now in year 5! Its just not a big deal. But logistically it makes life so much easier.

MrsColumbo · 01/04/2011 23:17

DS1 went to the last school I taught in because it was in the catchment area and because I rated my colleagues enough to be happy that they would be teaching him - a decision that was jstified by a great set of GCSE results (yeah, bit of a proud boast there - nothing to do with me, I'm afraid!).
He did occasionally get a bit of stick, usually if I'd dished out a detention, but we alwyas knew that secondary school wasn't going to be an easy time for him, whatever school he'd gone to. I asked my head of department not to put him in my group because we were aware that it could be inhibiting for both of us - a shame, because I like my son and think he would have been interesting to teach!
At my current school, I teach colleagues' children; it isn't a problem for me, for the pupils or the parents.
I think that's fair.

doley · 01/04/2011 23:21

I have more of a problem with helpers/playground assistants that have Grandchildren in the school .

I actually have that problem at the moment ,here in the US they also help in the classrooms where they have Grandkids .

I think it is a conflict of interest ,they ALWAYS support their G/kids if there is an issue ~other kids are not given the same support AT all .

I live a small rural community ...I guess it is to be expected .

UnquietDad · 01/04/2011 23:29

Our children go to their local catchment primary school. DW teaches at a different school, a "tough" one, on the other side of the city. It's amazing how many people outside our city have expressed surprise - even, on occasions, astonishment - that our children don't go to the same school where DW teaches. There are all kinds of reasons why we'd not be happy for this to be the case.

If we were in that catchment, we'd send our children to that school. Of course, some will no doubt argue that we have used a choice not open to others to ensure our children do not live in that catchment.

If DW taught at our local catchment primary, our children would still go there. But it's an academic question, because she'd never have applied for a job there.

MillyR · 01/04/2011 23:33

If it is in a very rural area, then it cannot be helped. If it is in a secondary school it doesn't matter because the parent doesn't have to teach their child's class.

But I don't agree with it in primary schools where an alternative school is available. I do think it has had a negative impact on my children's education, and they have had many years of being taught in a class where a classmate was the teacher's child. One of the teachers even kept moving class so that she could teach her own child in consecutive years.

It improved hugely when a new head came in and put an end to the preferential treatment the teacher's children were getting.

This issue was my first thread on MN, and I was flamed for it, but after that thread the new head was there and changed lots of stuff, so there was clearly an issue.

BehindLockNumberNine · 01/04/2011 23:49

Of course it is an issue in schools where the teacher is allowed to teach her own child - and as for changing yeargroups to follow her child through the school - that is plain unhealthy for both mother and child!

In my case I became a volunteer at the school (only ds was there then) and when a SEN TA position came up I was approached for it.
Ds was in Y6 when I started working there, I was placed in Y5. So no issue.
Ds is now at secondary school but dd has started at 'my' school. Our head teacher is more than happy to ensure staff don't work with their dc's yeargroup. And so it should be.

I have absolutely no reason to move dd - the school is good and she is happy. Nor will I give up a job I absolutely love, just because I am at the same school as dd.

heliumballoons · 01/04/2011 23:54

Rubbish - my mum taught in my school and sometimes would cover my class for the whole junior school. Never an issue.

However my Dad taught secondary and many of my friends went to that school. (we moved so I went to a different one). That was much harder.

LDNmummy · 02/04/2011 00:18

I don't think it is a good idea for various reasons. DP is a teacher and It is my first step on my career path. I told DP I wouldn't want us to be visible in that part of our DC's life, but he doesn't think its too big a deal. But I have been bullied in primary school by the child of a parent who supervised the playground and it became a very big deal as she would allow her son to kick and punch me. My mother almost threw her down in the school parking lot once when she found scratch and pinch marks on both my arms. After that the mother used to shout at me in the playground saying I was misbehaving. I know she was not a teacher but I bet favouritism is very possible when your parent works at your school. Saying that, that was in the 90's and things have changed alot since then and favouritism may be possible, but not common. Going on DP as an example, I can see he would probably be harder on his child than anyone else's out of expecting them to set an example. Also, I don't think any well trained and generally good teacher, want's to be seen as unprofessional and playing favourite's. Especially not when it would be gossiped about amongst their peers in the staff room, it would be embarrassing.

This isnt what I am worried about with my own DC's though, I am more concerned about them being independent in the sense of knowing how to socialise without an idea of me or DP somehow being in the background IYSWIM. Also we would both be teaching secondary and when our kids are that age it might not be a big deal if LO is a boy (except maybe for me Grin), but with the way teenage boy's and girl's are, I know DP would be constantly Angry if we have a girl. I just can't imagine any boy coming within ten feet of our DD if DP is around as he can be very intimidating, and as a woman myself, I would want her to feel like she can flirt or hang with the guys (as in normal, healthy sexual identity growth) without worrying about her dad.

makemineapinot · 02/04/2011 00:26

My mum taught at my school - didn' t teach me but taught my DB

I have taught both my ds and dd - fantastic realtionship building and taught them well th edemarkamtion between mummy and school - they always called me Mrs Pinot, never ever mum. ner any favouritisma nd as a child of a teacher I didn't not choose them either - the old lolly stick in a jar takes care of all that. And yes if they needed warnings, they got them (only once!!). On the plus side I always knew exacty what homework needed doing!! Disadvantage (or plus as a teacher looking at eductational value of setting topical projects) my dc always had to do their topical work by themselves and never came in with fantastic life size 3d models of crocodiles/vikings/lighthouses etc!!

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