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Got cross - kicked the neighbour's cat

110 replies

TheEffinOasis · 01/04/2011 17:21

Have to qualify this really - it wasn't exactly a send-the-cat-flying-kick but was a little more than a gentle-nudge-with-foot.

This cat is a nasty little bugger, has bitten or scratched both mine and my neighbour's children, plus myself. She comes up to you as if she wants a stroke and then goes for you. She bit my daughter this afternoon totally unprovoked - drew blood - and I got cross. Gave her a bit of a 'shove' with my foot to get her to go away. Now I feel guilty...BUT if she comes near my house she'll probably get the same again. AIBU?

Have a horrible feeling I'm going to get crucifed now. Is it worth mentioning that I have a cat of my own and don't make a habit of this?

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Megatron · 01/04/2011 20:17

Zukie, I'm not saying you're wrong it's just that I think cats should be able to go outside and play in the fresh air. I hate the thought of keeping them locked up. I've had cats since childhood and I've always loved watching them in the garden, even the grumpy old git that I have now! That said he's MY grumpy old git and I adore him, I would never keep him locked up. Each to their own and all that I guess.

nijinsky · 01/04/2011 20:22

cotswoldcountrymummy How do you get your horse to move if it doesn't want to go??"

In the short term, bribery (food). In the long term, by being a stable, patient and reliable herd leader. I am the boss. I move his feet, he does not move my feet (makes sense if you are horsy). Body language (he thinks I am bigger than I am and sometimes tries to hide behind me), mainly suggestion rather than force. If more force needed, voice.

If I had owned this horse all his life, rather than the last 9 months, he would not be bolshy. He is much better now. He has been treated quite roughly in the past and if I used aggression with him, he would retaliate. He is nearly out of these bad habits now though.

Thank you TheElfinOasis and zukiecat.

TheEffinOasis · 01/04/2011 20:25

BellaMagnificat - can I suggest you read and digest the thread and then come back to me? I have thoroughly explained the background. The cat does not have arthritis as you randomly suggest, and I am a good friend of said neighbour so I can be confident of that. I feel no need to repeat myself but if you read the thread before responding you will also note that your assumption that the cat was actively approached in any way is totally incorrect.

I have no problem with you letting me know that you think I am being unreasonable, but please bother to read the whole story first before going off on one. After all, I wouldn't have posted in the first place if I didn't think I had been just a bit unreasonable. I don't mean to be rude, but I equally don't expect rudeness from others.

I am a mother and a cat owner. I certainly don't put them in the same category, but I equally do not and would not mistreat either.

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MadamDeathstare · 01/04/2011 20:25

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CotswoldCountryMummy · 02/04/2011 00:34

Nijinsky - i see, i was talking about how to get your horse to move if you're riding it, not leading it. I would never kick my horses when leading them, but if you didn't use your legs/heels when riding, you'd be there all day!

dolldaggabuzzbuzz · 02/04/2011 07:23

YANBU It won't do it again - cats are not stupid.

nooka · 02/04/2011 07:49

Some cats are just capricious. They like the love but they also seem to feel the need to be assertive. I'm always a little wary of stroking cats I meet in the street (although I always do :)) because dh had a mad little cat that would tart all over the place, enjoy a stroke or two and then attack.

It obviously wasn't the right thing to do, but understandable. So long as you find a better method to get her to keep at bay then it's not that big a deal (I doubt that our shove will make any difference to her behaviour - a water pistol is likely to be much more of a deterrent, and even so you'll probably have to do it a fair few times)

Bucharest · 02/04/2011 07:54

My neighbour's cat is an odd little thing...she always wants to come into my house,she is, as I speak, sitting outside looking at me in a come hither manner......but she hates being touched in any way. She comes up to you as if she wants to be stroked, then lashes out if you put your hand anywhere near her.

Whilst YANBU to have kicked/shoved whatever because your child was scratched, YABU to let your child anywhere near animals you don't know well enough to predict their behaviour.

I think as well, cats in particular put up with a lot from small children wanting to "love" them. We're always at the ready to warn our kids about dogs, but cats have just the same rights surely not to be fondled against their will? Dd when she was little, also would stroke cats the wrong way (against the way their fur lay) which would probably be hugely irritating.

Don't blame you, don't blame the cat.

Melly19MummyToBe · 02/04/2011 09:48

Has no-one actually read the part where the OP quite clearly states that her children know exactly what the cat is like and they don't approach it? The cat approaches them, not the other way around.

altinkum · 02/04/2011 09:53

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speffles · 02/04/2011 13:02

We are having issues with an aggressive cat which has decided to fight my two for control of our garden. It is infuriating although we are making do with chasing it away. The feline politics of our neighbourhood can get very confusing.

It sounds like a very badly socialised cat. Some never get the chance to learn to inhibit their bite/clawing as kittens. Does your neighbour know? I would be mortified if either of my cats were coming up to people and biting them like that.

TheEffinOasis · 02/04/2011 15:25

Thanks, Melly Smile. Perhaps I didn't make it clear enough in my original post - all of the children in our road (I live in a small cul-de-sac) are repeatedly warned not to approach, touch, stroke, pet this cat - and none of them do, they're all pretty scared of her! The cat approaches us, never the other way around.

Unfortunately my neighbour - who I get on very well with and have absolutely no dispute with over this - does know but has little control over what the cat does, it's been weird since kittenhood but I also suspect as mentioned below that not well socialised and taught the error of her ways. Cats are a law unto themselves - what are her options? Have it put down (seems just a tad severe)? Or keep it indoors (which it just will not do)? Another neighbour did comment that if a dog behaved in that way it would almost certainly be put down (he's definitely not a cat person!).

I feel much less guilty today. I will be squirting liberally with a powerful water pistol from now on!

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nijinsky · 02/04/2011 16:52

CotswoldCountryMummy not always. He's a very forward going showjumper. I usually have to hold him back. He's so off the leg I barely have to use my legs at all, as soon as I take up a contact, he springs into canter. If I do use my legs, its more of a nudge, although tbh I think its more of a wiggle of my bottom.

thejaffacakesareonme · 02/04/2011 18:39

I wouldn't feel guilty if I were you. I would purchase a supersoaker water gun though and would use it every time the cat came near me or my kids in our garden. People wouldn't feel it was appropriate to have a dog running loose all the time, why should we be expected to put up with cats doing it? I hope your DD is ok.

whatsallthehullaballoo · 02/04/2011 18:49

Actually I used to be a cat 'person'. Until...I was walking home one night, it was dark and a cat actually HUNTED me. It was doing all the couching and tail whipping, hiding under cars and then ran full throttle at me and tried to climb up my leg and bite me. I had to run home...Blush

So yes, cats can attack. Get a water pistol - kicking it might provoke it into a full blown attack and the cat will win [win]

NetworkGuy · 03/04/2011 01:22

Ephiny - "I've never heard of a cat chasing after someone and attacking them unprovoked!"

Have been a cat lover all my life, second cat, Vicky (collected from a work colleague of my sister's at Victoria station) was a kitten in 1974 (died 1990), so I looked after her from when I was about 15.

Have you never seen a cat have a "mad 5 minutes" just chasing its tail, sprinting across gardens, running up trees etc ?

I may have been ~17 and out in the front garden, where we had a cherry tree. For no special reason, Vicky ran up into the tree. I think I was gathering lawn mower cable as I had finished mowing. Had my back to tree and then had cat run down tree, across to me, scramble up my back and decide to attack me.

Her mouth was wide open, with upper teeth sticking into my head (imagine headphone band over head from ear to ear - her upper teeth were on that line) with front paws in front of her, claws just above my eyes, lower teeth against back of neck, and rear claws ripping at my back.

I wore glasses so had some protection but even so was a fright, and awkward to know how to get her off me. Decided to kneel down, release the claws of her front feet from forehead and then rolled onto side so her rear legs unable to scratch my back as gravity making it awkward. Not sure how her teeth were released but just treated is as something to get over, with some harsh words, but no easy way to 'tell' a cat it is in the wrong...

Underachieving · 03/04/2011 01:53

What is the owner of a bad cat to do? Keeping my bad boy in would be sheer misery for him and at least he wins most of the neighbours over with his oodles of charm. Apart from being charming he is a dreadful neighbour. He steals, he runs a gang, he picks on dogs (it was a bull mastiff he sent packing last time), shreds bin bags, detroys flower beds, hunts anything (even pet bunnies). He is just an all round bad boy, who gets away with it by looking gorgeous and purring constantly.

So from the humble owner of a very bad cat, I'd say definately do practice humane cat control just as vigourously as you like. Throwing water is good, citrus on the ground is good, gravelling places can help (they hate walking on it) and the local zoo might sell Lion Poo. If you can put the cat off coming up to you in the first place you have solved the problem. Obviously it's best to solve it before you come to the end of your tether with the pesky animal and everyone involved ends up miserable.

flyingspaghettimonster · 03/04/2011 02:14

YANBU - there is a small un-neutered male around our area that has sent both the cats to the vets and cost $600 in vet bills for nasty infected leg wounds - now we are dealing with two traumatised cats who barely dare to cower on their own doorstep - if it ever came close enough I'd kick it to the moon, but have settled for trapping it and dropping it off at an animal control place over the state border so the owners never get that fecker back here again... I'm an animal lover, but that cat has even attacked neighbourhood dogs and the owners clearly don't care.

Underachieving · 03/04/2011 02:40

flyingspaghettimonster you say "the owners clearly don't care". What would you expect them to do differently? I'm genuinely interested.

bananasinpjamas · 03/04/2011 02:59

Wow its hilarious. Imagine if it was a dog, the 60% anti dog extremists on MN would be yelling "OMG it looked at my little johnny have it PTS".

I second the water pistol idea, and not stroking it!

thejaffacakesareonme · 03/04/2011 10:06

If someone can't control their animal and it injures children or other pets, whether it be a cat or a dog, the person would be a good neighbour if they either kept it indoors, put it on a lead when outside or got rid of it. I'm not saying that they should have it put down, but they should consider giving it to one of the organisations that rehomes pets. I would be livid if one of my neighbours cats attacked one of my children and feel it is unfortunate that many cat owners try to put the onus on their neighbours to protect their children eg by putting down citrus peel, rather than control their animal in the first place.

RunAwayWife · 03/04/2011 10:21

Put the offending cat in a cat box, go for a long drive, release cat, go home.
Problem solved

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 03/04/2011 11:04

Wish someone would put certain posters in a box and drive em far away from their PCs

NetworkGuy · 03/04/2011 13:18

"rather than control their animal in the first place"

Dogs are expected to be kept on leads when taken for a walk. Why is that?

Perhaps because it is well known that they may scrap with other dogs if an opportunity arises and are (generally) large enough to damage an adult if they bite or jump up at someone.

Cats are far less often "walked" (and I doubt many are taken on a lead). They are born roamers (*) and can be out for days at a time (OK, hopefully not, and as an owner one does get a bit anxious) but at least several hours. Whether they just find some nice spot that is out of the wind, gives them a vantage point for catching mice etc, or just somewhere in the sun/shade where they can doze, I know not. Most likely a mixture.

Even over the winter my cat would tend to want to be out for longer periods than I expected, or go out late at night and unless feeling esp. cold, or in awful weather, would probably linger at least 20-30 minutes longer than I wanted when I was calling for her to come home (or if it was past 23:00, walking in the road to see if she'd get the hint).

I have walked my cat around the estate from time to time (was great excuse for exploring the first evening, knowing that it was sufficiently 'strange' and 'new' that she would not hesitate to follow me home that time but she has a will of her own, and will decide on any walk we go on, just where she will and will not follow / precede me.

As for "control their animal" - I have no way to stop her from jumping a wall, injuring herself, finding herself face-to-face with a dog, or cat (though she might have a clue as soon as she steps on their territory), and unless there is a fight in an easily accessible place, little I can do to stop her. A cat, once ready to fight, seems to have enormous energy and capabilities for escaping the hold of a human by flexibility and/or dishing out severe pain via teeth and claws.

I have a lot of admiration for dog owners who have control without needing to show aggressive traits to keep their dog(s) in check. Massive credit to one dog owner who I met on a Sunday morning some weeks/months ago.

I had taken Sophia for a walk (she is a bit elderly now, so we don't go so far) and came from a grass section via an alley onto one of the roads in the estate.

I was walking at moderate pace while she went rushing through the undergrowth of some garden, oblivious to my location. I reached the crest of the hill and saw a chap with 4 large (sleek, 'dashing' like greyhounds) dogs on his way towards me. Cat ran to catch me up and stopped in absolute panic when she saw the 4 dogs. I fully expected the dogs to pull away from owner but without a word, perhaps just a twitch of his hand, all 4 sat and stared.

Not a single bark (was expecting bedlam to wake the street instead of complete calm, which was good as it was only 8:15 and I know some would hate 4 loud dogs waking them that early). My cat still froze, but I walked on a bit, thanking the dog owner for stopping and commenting on how well behaved his dogs were. We chatted briefly, and I then moved back to the pavement ready to turn the corner into road on route back to my home. Quick call to encourage Sophia to follow and she walked close to the wall as far away from the dogs as possible, still wary, but the dogs were like bronze statues and didn't move. Once she was on her way around the corner, I nodded to the dog owner and he carried on walking, again no sound from any of the dogs. Meanwhile cat decided to take refuge for a minute or two in a garden before continuing down the road with me.

No way could most people train a cat to act on command, stop instincts like those of fighting, or to block a reaction if a "stroke" was actually more of a "smack" and one they decide needs a "first warning" with claws out, to give a quick "I didn't like that, leave me alone" message.

If a cat is provoked (and I suspect that's how they see a lot of human "attention") by someone doing something they dislike, their reaction is swift and not usually very restrained. A noisy "miaaaoowww" might be their signal along with some tail swishing, but if that attracts a grabby hand and their tail is pulled, heaven help anyone (including innocent parties) in paws' reach, it's time for claws and an aggressive (arched back) stance, complete with snarls and spitting depending on the cat.

Intended to frighten, you've been given the last warning at that stage.

I will be first to admit, some cats can appear friendly and then snarl, but I suspect in many cases they have been hurt by owners and this is part of their revenge (unfortunately, on the human race in general, not their owners in particular).

  • I feel very sad for any "house" cats where owners consider them such precious belongings they don't appear to have the well-being of the cat in their head, just their own selfish wishes!
thejaffacakesareonme · 03/04/2011 15:26

Interesting points Networkguy. It sounds as though you are a responsible owner and that your cat is not a menace. My main gripe is with any pet owners that let their animals run loose when they know that they are liable to bite or scratch other animals or children. I think it is irresponsible. If people cannot control such animals, and I appreciate that in your view it is not possible to completely control a cat, I think they should ask themselves whether or not they should keep that animal in that setting. I appreciate that many animals may bite or scratch as a warning to people to leave them alone. I think that is different from one which bites or scratches frequently where the risk of it happening is much greater, particulary if it is a dog or cat that seems friendly initially.

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