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...to think the [now free] morning-after pill for young girls is a dreadful indictment of our permissive society?

108 replies

ftm42 · 01/04/2011 08:22

Just been listening to news on breakfast TV. Quotes as follows [as close as poss]

"...morning after pill prescribed now for free in Wales to under 16s..."

"...highest level of teenage pregnancies in Europe..."

I wonder if there's a link between those 2 quotes?

DUH!!!

Am I alone in thinking that the more you give kids a 'get-out of jail card', the more they'll have sex when they aren't ready? Why can't we teach our kids to

JUST SAY NO!

Accidents happen, they always have, but for goodness sake, in making it easier to get an abortion [that's what it is, let's not beat around the bush here] doesn't it make it easier to get pregnant in the first place as you can always get rid of it. Have we sunk so low to think we can throw it all away and then fix it later by "getting rid".

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stream · 01/04/2011 09:57

YABU. I'm pleased my girls will have this available to them.

cory · 01/04/2011 09:57

Perhaps it is about social judgment: they know you won't be judged for having had sex, but you will be judged for having a child and not providing that child with a happy childhood. Try yelling at a child on a Swedish bus and you'll see what I mean. Expected standards of maturity when in charge of the younger generation are very, very high.

GetOrfMoiLand · 01/04/2011 10:01

OP - you are stupid. I am not going to exhaust my synapses arguing with someone so lacking in intelligence, especially when everything has been said so well by expat, tigga and everyone else.

Is there a thread about teen mums as well?

Birdsgottafly · 01/04/2011 10:02

The friends of my DD's who first went to the doctors were all re-directed to the brook clinic. They talk to me so i know alot of what goes on with them (yes it sometimes puts me in a difficult situation). The brook clinics from my experience take the time to talk to the girls to pick up any child protection issues. They also do medical tests, they don't stand at a window MacD style handing out pills. OP educate yourself further than listening to poor quality reporting.

Also what do you want to achieve by the clampdown?, because what you are advocating won't make for a better society.

Birdsgottafly · 01/04/2011 10:03

GetOrfML- to be angry about teenage mum Angry

Birdsgottafly · 01/04/2011 10:06

The countries mentioned- Sweden etc have also always been very 'rights' based. All of the 'isms' especially sexism were challenged alot earlier, more consistanly and were reflect in the tax and benefit system.

Bogeyface · 01/04/2011 10:06

YOu can't beat ill informed bollocks first thing in the morning to get the day off to a good start can you?!

Thanks OP, I feel so stuffed up with righteous indignation I think I will have a go at saving the world today!

Abr1de · 01/04/2011 10:13

'Preaching abstinence DOES NOT WORK.'

There seems to be some evidence from the US that it does. Certainly it's what I'm 'preaching' to my own daughter.
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/01/AR2010020102628.html

stillfrazzled · 01/04/2011 10:14

Good one Grin

Assuming OP is an April Fool from an anti-Daily Mailer, of course.

Otherwise I'm seriously worried.

TallyB · 01/04/2011 10:18

StillFrazzled - I was about to say the same Grin

I think it's Justine pulling our leg. Well done MNHQ! With this rabid, right-wing ranter, you are really spoiling us Wink

TallyB · 01/04/2011 10:19

That would be a collective leg, of course.

OrangeBernard · 01/04/2011 10:21

Yabu. What a load of bollocks. Do you have any opinions apart from those you got from the daily mail?

helendigestives · 01/04/2011 10:45

You're right. Giving women the morning-after-pill will result in more teen pregnancies.

...Wait. What?

Themumsnot · 01/04/2011 10:50

Over forty years ago my mother got pregnant. Her boyfriend did a runner. She went through a harrowing time in a mother and baby home and was forced to give me up for adoption. The MAP would have saved her a world of grief and heartache. You are so very wrong OP.

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 01/04/2011 10:50

Actually the best thing to teach teenagers about sex would be: there are far more fun things to do than PIV, especially for girls. PIV is overrated, vastly so, and not only are other sexual acts often more enjoyable, but they don't result in pregnancies. That's not to say that PIV should be 'saved' for marriage (early marriage is often a worse idea than early pregnancy), but that it should be reserved for those occasions when you either want to concieve or have effective contraception handy.

electra · 01/04/2011 10:56

Agree with expat.

FabbyChic · 01/04/2011 11:00

Rather them get the morning after pill than have babies to be honest, if they are going to do it nothing will stop them, girls are generally sexually active now at 14/15 they are so much older at that age now than they were 20 years ago.

Albeit I would expect a responsible parent to know they are active and get them on the pill. No child should have babies before the age of 21 that's my feeling on it. I would have been horrified if my boys had had babies before 21.

RunnerHasbeen · 01/04/2011 11:04

Of course there's a link OP, you have just got it backwards is all. There's a high level of teen pregnancies, so the MAP is made free. As the pill was made free in Wales today and you are blaming it for the already high teenage pregnancy rate, you must be suggesting some sort of time travel or super fertile "I had sex last night but am a super gestator and am therefore already counted as pregnant...eh, last year..."

Surely you can see the OP is like saying "so many people take painkillers for headaches, so headaches must be caused by painkillers," such odd logic, is it an April fool?

expatinscotland · 01/04/2011 12:04

I agree, Spring! As per usual.

expatinscotland · 01/04/2011 12:06

The Washington Post is the equivalent of the Telegraph.

I'm from the US. It's another shame-based society (the apple didn't fall far from the tree in that respect) with a mostly fucked up attitude towards sex and hence, a high teen pregnancy rate.

seeker · 01/04/2011 12:07

What a stupid OP. Not worth commenting om. It's proabably a journalist anyway - no real person could be that dumb.

ForShizzle · 01/04/2011 12:10

Angry ...

moonstonezoe · 01/04/2011 12:16

I agree with you. It is so sad when girls under sixteen have to take this medication. There is such pressure on girls to "grow up" today. In the course of my work I come across many girls who wish that they had not been hurled into adult behaviour before they were ready.

blackcurrants · 01/04/2011 12:20

This has GOT to be an april fool's post, right? Right? The MAP isn't abortion cos there's nothing implanted to BE aborted - it prevents implantation.

Fuck this body-shaming, sex-shaming, ignorance-worshiping nonsense. If you don't know how it works, I'm not going to take your 'boo down with the MAP!' seriously.

April Fools!

Whatever17 · 01/04/2011 12:22

I paid £27 for a MAP last month - shocking price and could be a stumbling block for young people. Or actually any disadvantaged people!

Free MAPs all round I say, that would actually be a forward thinking welfare reform.