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To have thrown my mother out?!

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baddaughter · 31/03/2011 13:54

Have done the necessary name change.

Apologise in advance for the very long OP.

My parents retired abroad a few years ago but my mum hates where she lives. She doesn't get on with my dad's family who live all around her and my parents often argue about it. She comes over to the UK whenever she can to get away from them and stays for a few months, usually with my sister.

My mum and sister are very close and much closer in age. I have always accepted that my mother prefers my sister and am not jealous. My mum and I have a strange relationship in that I know she loves me and is fiercely loyal but she cannot bring herself to say it and has never even hugged me. There is a bonding issue between us but I have become used to it and we are fine with eachother in small doses. She rarely phones me unless it?s to slate my dad and she rarely asks what's going on in my life but she's pretty nice to me and is not abusive in anyway, just a bit self-absorbed and hands-offish with me.

I recently had a baby, their first grandchild. My mother said she was coming over to help with my dad to follow later on. I figured it would be for a couple of weeks and although I was worried about how I'd cope, I agreed (was basically told, not asked). The day before she was due to fly, she told me she would be staying for 6 months. I was too scared to say no. I still figured that I'd be able to handle it because she always normally stays with my sister and visits during the daytime so I figured most of the time this would be what would happen.

However, my sisters dad (mum's first husband) decided her was going to be staying with my sister whilst in town which meant mum had to stay with me which I know was a last resort for her.

From day one, 2 weeks after a horrendous birth and breastfeeding issues (which is why I'm in counselling) she put her bags down then proceeded to tell me everything I'm doing wrong with the baby and tried to take over. If I told her anything about how I wanted to raise my DD she'd become very angry and tell me that she knows more than me as she's had more parenting experience and also said that by telling her what to do with DD, I'm putting her down as a mum and saying she's stupid and old. For example she was putting the baby on her tummy and side to sleep and I said that I wanted DD to sleep on her back for SIDS reasons but she got really upset and told me I was implying she had been a bad mother to me! We had this over everything, feeding, how many blankets to put on the baby, whether to give the baby water, everything became a battle and I was exhausted from not sleeping properly and trying to get over the Emergency Csec. She wouldn't accept that things have changed since she had us.

We had a first massive row about a month ago and she kept saying we were making her feel unwelcome (we have certain rules about food storage etc) and that I wasn't giving her enough of the baby duties and that she didn't feel needed.

I then agreed to give her more nights (1 a week), feeding and other duties and I said that maybe it would be a good idea for her to go to my aunties at weekends as we needed a break from each other every few days. I also invited her out to the pub, restaurant etc but she turned it all down always saying she never felt like it. Many a time she would sit on the sofa in silence, moping about, which made my DH and I feel very uncomfortable. Everything I said seemed to be twisted into me questioning her skills as a mother. I once asked if she had a moment, if she was able to change the babies nappy and she almost went into meltdown saying I had implied she was incapable of changing a nappy!

Sometimes if people came over she was huffy with them and I just felt like I was tip-toeing around her. I also felt I couldn't really stand up to her because she has high blood pressure and was always saying her pressure was up and she felt unwell and thus I didn't want to make it worse.

I started picking my battles, i.e. when she ignored my request not to give DD water or she put her to sleep on her side I tried to ignore it as I didn't want to upset her (my counsellor asked why I was compromising over my own child but I wanted mum to be happy) I also offered to let her come to DD appointments with me as she said I was always running around with the baby and not inviting her.

It was during this time that the nurse told me I was suffering from PND (I think my mother partly contributed to this). I told my mum about the diagnosis and that I was to have counselling. She asked why. I told her again about the birth, that DD nearly didn't make it etc and she said she wasn't even aware this had happened! I told her twice about the birth and she never once remarked on it as she was more concerned with telling me how I should just cope because she?d had babies and knew what it was like and had coped or the latest offence my father had caused (he ignores her a lot of the time and isn't the best husband. He also sees me as some sort of angel and has insisted we speak to him everyday about the baby and calls and calls until we answer the phone, gets very upset if we don't pick up, DH and I sometimes call him the stalker as its a bit much).

I asked her if she thought I was a good mother, she wouldn't answer. When I cooked I'd ask her if she'd liked what I'd made, she's say it was 'okay'.

Anyway 13 weeks later (Tuesday) and I notice a couple of ants in the kitchen. I asked her to move some fruit she had in the corner because I wanted to wipe down and spray ant killer in the corner before we got an infestation and told her that the ants would be attracted to the sugar. I asked her to put them somewhere else like to fridge or on the dining room table. All of a sudden she fly?s past me, picks the fruit up and chucks it in the bin, goes to her room and slams the door. DH and I are like WTF?! So I start shouting upstairs that I don't have to put up with this in my own home and that I can't take it anymore, that she's making things harder for me and that i can't give her anymore emotionally.

The next morning I try and bury the hatchet by saying good morning, she says the same. An hour later I ask if she's able to watch the baby for an hour (she had originally agreed to watch DD every day as I'm doing a work project but in reality she would get up at 10, spend an hour in the shower have brekkie and not be ready to take DD until 12pm then she would go out shopping at 2pm and be back in time to watch that gameshow, The Chaser at 5.15pm, this is despite us agreeing that I would pay her £50 to help out a bit more which what she said she wanted to do anyway). Anyway she got angry and said ?what you mean am I able to watch the baby, are you saying I don't know how to look after a baby'. Again I let it slide as I needed to get back to the PC.

An hour a later she storms up to me shoves £50 into my hand and says 'take it back' I don't want your money, I want nothing from you and I'm going to give back the rest of the money when I can get hold of it as I don't want to be in your debt. I heard you saying you've given me too much (I meant emotionally not financially). I said I didn't have the energy for another argument, I hadn't slept through the stress of the previous days argument. She continued to go on and on and in the end I screamed' get out and get out now!' She stayed sitting on the couch so I told her I wasn't joking that we can't be together and she needs to get her stuff together and stay with auntie as I'm tired of it all (she previously said she didn't want to stay with auntie as her place was small).

She then began to pack her things and I felt bad so wanted to make some level of peace before she went. I said I was sorry it didn't work out, maybe we weren't meant to be together for so long under the same roof. I said that maybe she could stay here on and off and at aunties sometimes to give us all a break. I said that I had my faults etc and it wasn't just her. She then said that I don't like having my family around me, that I haven't welcomed her, that she spent hundreds of pounds to be with me and that she can leave with a 100% clear conscience because it was all my fault and that I'm ungrateful.

My father says she provoked me (he wouldn't dare tell her this though) but I should have just bit my tongue for the next few weeks and my sister is not speaking to me. Mum won't take my calls. MY DH is relieved it's all over. Was I being unreasonable, am I ungrateful? I feel really bad as she raised me and had me in her home and in return I've thrown her out of mine after 3 months.

OP posts:
RudeEnglishLady · 31/03/2011 15:19

If that was my Mum, my husband would have driven her to the airport in week one, probably after I'd pushed her out of the door. You two are clearly very patient people who were doing your best.

I really hope you start to feel better now - and its only 3 months out of a lifetime. I find now I can barely remember the 3 months post-natal so while you may never forgive you hopefully will be able to forget.

Congratulations and enjoy your baby.

TheyKnowEsperanto · 31/03/2011 15:20

OP - echo everyone's sentiments here about how well you've coped (well done for recognising the PND and getting help asap - Crackfox's story sounds v similar and without wanting to 'blame' your mum for the PND it does sound like you will get on much better without her.)

I do not get these mums that take offense at their daughter/DIL following current medical/paediatric advice on things like sleeping/weaning etc. My mum did try to take offense (my sister ate 3 weetabix for breakfast at the age 3 months apparently) but to be fair to her, when I pointed out that advice changes as knowledge advances/is refined and she was only following the advice current at the time (which is exactly what I was doing - mixed with your own common sense/instinct with what is right for your child) then where was this difference/implied criticism? I don't think you should do anything to appease her, but if your sister does not back you up she is making a rod for her own back when she has kids.

Crawling · 31/03/2011 15:43

She sounds like my gran I throw her out quite regurlarly, any longer than 4hr. I cant belive you managed to put up with that for 3months Shock I think you were right to throw her out and protect your DD please dont back down op.

baddaughter · 31/03/2011 16:13

@ TheyKnowEsperanto. My sister is 50 this year, she is nearly 16 years older than me and the the baby ship has sailed. Nature was very cruel to her as she started the menopause whilst I was in my 3rd trimester. She came to my house and gave me all of her tampons. She didn't say why but of course I knew, she'd had symptoms for weeks before. I felt pretty bad for her as she wanted a DH and family but neither worked out for her. I know she was hurt but she swallowed it and has been happy for me but she is very close to mum and probably feels she has to take sides.

Back on topic, I really didn't realise this problem with mothers was so widespread, it makes me feel a bit better, like I don't come from an exceptionally weird family. In will check out the relationships thread.

OP posts:
TooManyPufflesInMyIgloo · 31/03/2011 16:17

Oh you poor, poor woman. What a horrendous way to start your life as a family of three.

"She always says its me and I'm scared her blood pressure will rise"

Are you listening hard? It is not your fault. You are not responsible. You are not responsible for your mother's behaviour or for her health or for her happiness. It is not you.

There is a reason why she is lonely, and probably the same reason why she is not well, and it is her, not you.

If you are lucky she will be off in a good long huff now while you get some rest and peace and enjoy your baby. If not, you and dh are going to need to work out some strategies to stand up to her - talk it through with your counsellor, or get yourself over to the Stately Homes thread on Relationships.

BoobopTallullah · 31/03/2011 16:26

£50 a week is still a lot of money considering she's using your water, electricity etc especially if you were going to take her on holiday too! I don't know about mental illness but she's very manipulative. If she is going to stay in your life it needs to be on your terms and I mean this in the kindest way but you need to grow a backbone around her.
You need to look after you and your family first and let your mum worry about herself for a bit. I hope you works things out how you want them to be. Don't let her browbeat you.

Bogeyface · 31/03/2011 16:27

Your sister and the tampon thing....why?!

She sounds as unhinged as your mum tbh, they both sound very self obsessed and "me me me". You were having a baby and while I can understand your sister being upset at getting the menopause, it was to be expected at her age. To make a grand gesture with her sanitary protection was unnecessary and pointless. Also, the menopause usually takes years from start to finish, not weeks so it was obviously an attempt to take attention away from you and get it onto herself. She couldnt have gone from pre thru to post menopausal during your third trimester, it isnt physically possible!

I think you mum and sister are very toxic and selfish and you could perhaps do with some more counselling, this time focussing on why you are so desperate to please people who clearly wont be happy whatever you do.

Take care x

Happylander · 31/03/2011 16:44

Well said bogeyface
You need to focus on yourself OP and your DH and DD. Enjoy them and don't worry about your horrible, selfish mother and sister. You are not responsible for either of their lives and they are miserable because of how they behave.
Good luck and I hope your PND lifts. You are a saint. If anyone had told me what to do with my child I'd have told them to fuck off!

TheCrackFox · 31/03/2011 16:50

It takes years to go through the menopause! Your sister seems to be a carbon copy of your mum. Selfish and attention seeking.

Make yourself and your new family your number one priority and not your mum and your sis. They will always put themselves first even if it means making you ill.

ratspeaker · 31/03/2011 16:53

YNBU

Several things to consider here
Try and get some perspective from an outsider
Here it is as I see it
She's basically abused your hospitality, free bed and board with pocket money thrown in

You are not responsible for her unhappy marriage, she's an adult

She may be slagging off her husband but she doesn't seem to consider how you feel about this, he IS your father after all, it is unfair of her to put you in this position

It is not about her parenting its about YOU now, your baby your rules. It sounds like she wants it to be all about her. That is not your fault its hers.

She seems to be unwilling to aknowledge what a horrible time you had giving birth, I know what a trauma an emergency C section can be, she should be supporting you through this and encouraging you talk about it.

It seems if she doesnt get her way or doesnt like things she brings up her blood pressure. Again thats not your fault.
You can't NOT discuss things just because she doesnt like it

The gesture of giving you back the money was drama drama drama me me me.
She could have calmly discussed the situation rather than being so OTT.

As to her having spent loads of money coming over, did you actually beg her to come stay? It was her choice anyway.

As for the having raised you and had you in her home, thats a parents duty.
Do you think you would guilt your own child this way?

Please don't fret about it
Try and enjoy the calmer atmosphere

DontGoCurly · 31/03/2011 17:33

OP, You let her away with murder.

You are not obliged to share your baby with her and she had no business putting her ego over the babies best interests. She sounds incredibly selfish.

Glad you stood up to her in the end. In future I would be far, far tougher with her. In your home YOU are boss. When someone 'tells you' they are coming for 6 weeks, you need to tell them they are not!

She will probably play the martyr now to all and sundry. So be prepared for that. Don't buy into her drama.

DontGoCurly · 31/03/2011 17:36

omg...just relised it was 6 MONTHS not weeks! YADNBU.

2rebecca · 31/03/2011 17:53

In retrospect you should have told her that 6 months was too long intially and that you didn't want visitors at such a stressful time for more than 2 weeks. Inviting yourself to someone else's house for 6 months is loony behaviour.
Agree with those who say that if her second marriage is unhappy she should behave like an adult and get divorced. It doesn't sound as though she likes taking responsibility for her actions though and wants to blame those around her for her life events.
I'd be relieved she has your half sister to rely on, agree the tampon thing sounds odd as for most women the menopause comes on gradually and knowing which was your last period can only be decided in retrospect after a year, so giving her tampons to you in a grand gesture sounds very drama queeny.

Nanny0gg · 31/03/2011 18:02

If only a third of what you had written was true she was horrific!
Let her get on with it; don't let her burden you with guilt.
Try and put it behind you and start to enjoy your time as a threesome.

Oh, and change the locks! (Just in case...)

femalevictormeldrew · 31/03/2011 18:04

YANBU but don't feel a bit bad about it. I get on like a house on fire with my own mother. But no WAY on earth would I live with her for 6 months. Not a hope. You did well to last as long. I think your mother may have been projecting some of her own issues onto you i.e. being defensive about things you asked her. Think her guilt over an already shaky relationship with you may be playing up. Good luck with your lovely little babby x

LoopyLoopsChupaChups · 31/03/2011 18:20

The only way in which you were unreasonable was putting up with it. You should have put yourself, your baby and your husband first. Now you have, so celebrate!

Seriously, don't feel bad about getting rid of her, she really had to go. My mum is mentally ill an I would never agree to have her for that long, however she would never be as spiteful as that.

changedforamin · 31/03/2011 18:27

First things first baddaughter, change your m's net name!

You are not a bad daughter, and if you didn't speak up when you did you risked becoming a really depressed and frustrated mother, not what any baby needs.

You are taking the right steps to do what is right for you and your family with counseling etc and have to be praised for that, it's a big step. Well done!

My DM lives a 12hr drive away and is coming for the birth of my baby later in the year. I have openly said I appreciate the thought and will be happy to see her but not for too long as we need time to bond as a family!

Good luck. x

saffy85 · 31/03/2011 19:17

YANBU she wouldn't have lasted 3 minutes in my house!

Thank god my MIL "only" stayed a horrendously long fortnight after my first was born and my mum only lives round the corner! 6 months with either under my roof would have pushed me over the edge, new baby and traumatic birth or not!

Seriously you must have the patience of a saint and your mother owes you a huge apology for her behaviour. Stop feeling bad, you had to do something. Enjoy the time you now have to bond with your baby without what must have been a horrible atmosphere in your own home.

Giselle99 · 31/03/2011 19:31

OP, you were definitely not been unreasonable.

The longest I could last with my mother in my home is probably 5 consecutive days. Well done for being assertive enough to ask her to leave. I find my blood pressure starts to rise and I become snappy and irritable after prolonged contact with my mother, as all she sees to do is find fault with me (my weight, the way I dress, my hair, everything I do has to be subjest to a "kind" alternative suggestion from her, as if I'm a 5 year old)

Best of luck with yorur health and enjoy motherhood!

mmmerangue · 31/03/2011 19:34

Well done on surviving that horror. You leave me thanking God that my son's grandparents are reasonable, sensible, agreeable and willing to be wrong/ have differing opinions.

Sounds like your mum needs counselling too, she (in my limited experience) sounds either bipolar or with some kind of paranoia/self-esteem issue which is why she keeps assuming you're calling her a bad mother or saying she's not capable...

She may also be expecting you to crawl back, beg for her to come and help again. DON'T DO IT. Don't call her, definitely don't apologise, be strong. She may realise she's been unreasonable if she doesn't hear from you for a while and call you... or not. Phone her in a few weeks or months to discuss something unrelated, if you feel like it. Let her know she's not the martyr she thinks she is. (It's probably easier for me to say than you to do... but keep in mind "It's Her, Not Me.")

opalfairy · 31/03/2011 19:34

(Sorry about the long-ish response, but I related to this!)

My god, what a time you've had! I can relate to some of what you describe as I have a tricky relationship with my mum and often feel as though I have to pussy-foot around her.

It makes me resentful but, after all these years, I know nothing is going to change! I am able to tolerate most of her behaviour but she generally gets the message if she's really pissed me off! It sounds like your mother, like mine, displays symptoms of guilt (and self-absorption). It's not fair of her to take this out on you. Unfortunately, some mothers don't have it in them to be helpful or supportive in the way that you need them to. I am lucky (!) that my mother lives near me as I could never tolerate living with her (nor she with me, to be fair). We get on very well in small doses.

You did the right thing, probably should have done it sooner! You should focus on yourself and your new family and let her take part if and when she is willing to play by your rules. You are a mum now too and I'm sure you will do a great job, but it is your 'job', not hers.

Also, our mothers never understand the 'new fangled ways of doing things'! I lost count of the number of times my mum made me feel like I was being neurotic just because I wanted to follow current sleep advice (for example). I pretty much ignored her and got on with doing things the way I wanted to do them and I'm really glad I did. It's not easy finding your way with a new baby and you will question yourself enough without someone criticising you every step of the way. It's something you could really do without when you are still emotional post-birth.

I wish you lots of luck. DO NOT feel guilty for putting your mother in her place! x

flyingspaghettimonster · 31/03/2011 19:57

It's tough - the relationship between us and our parents changes when we have our own kids - because whatever we do differently is taken as a criticism of them as parents. I lived for 2 months with my mum and we had a huge fall out over our different parenting techniques - she wanted to be allowed to discipline my kids physically and I wasn't allowing it.

I think you did the right thing - don't feel guilty, just try to make things amicable again, maybe send a mother's day card letting her know you don't think badly of her as a mother and do still love her... sounds like she is very unhappy in her life and feels out of control and not needed anywhere... whereas you have a loving partner, a new baby and a job... she is probably a bit jealous and hurt and didn't mean to make things worse for you.

microserf · 31/03/2011 20:12

dear op, you are a complete saint to have tolerated such behaviour for such a long period of time. I would like to emphasise that YANBU at all and you did the right thing for your family.

personally, i hate the whole "drama" thing, and your mum sounds a bit like she thrives on it. it must be exhausting.

i have the same issues with my mum. it's really common. i have another friend at the moment with a mum who just. will. not. bloody. get. on. a. plane. and. piss. off. home. i really feel for her. i love my mum, but i love her a lot more from a safe distance!

Jux · 31/03/2011 20:17

You have been saintly. If you really want her to understand I think you'll have to write it down for her, but she won't understand it anyway. These old witches are unappeasable.Grin

What I wouldn't have given for my MIL to have lived a long way away and only come to visit..... even dh wouldn't have stood her for more than a couple of days and I can keep a smile on my face for much longer than that! Months is really pushing it, especially as she didn't even consult you with how long she was going to be staying. That's another indication of her cavalier attitude towards you, btw. You are a possession and will be treated as such; heaven forfend you should behave as if you have the capacity for independent thought especially when she's being a Knight in Shining Armour.

MirandaGoshawk · 31/03/2011 20:26

OP you sound like a bloody saint!

I've just had my mum to stay for three days - she is lovely but that length of time is enough or we get on each other's nerves. Your mum walked all over you by expecting to stay for six months, that's ridiculous, especially as you're trying to come to terms with such a huge upheaval as a new baby. She is an adult and has a husband and life of her own. So YANBU. I hope you enjoy having your life and sanity back and I would leave it a good lenght of time before trying to make contact again.