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To have thrown my mother out?!

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baddaughter · 31/03/2011 13:54

Have done the necessary name change.

Apologise in advance for the very long OP.

My parents retired abroad a few years ago but my mum hates where she lives. She doesn't get on with my dad's family who live all around her and my parents often argue about it. She comes over to the UK whenever she can to get away from them and stays for a few months, usually with my sister.

My mum and sister are very close and much closer in age. I have always accepted that my mother prefers my sister and am not jealous. My mum and I have a strange relationship in that I know she loves me and is fiercely loyal but she cannot bring herself to say it and has never even hugged me. There is a bonding issue between us but I have become used to it and we are fine with eachother in small doses. She rarely phones me unless it?s to slate my dad and she rarely asks what's going on in my life but she's pretty nice to me and is not abusive in anyway, just a bit self-absorbed and hands-offish with me.

I recently had a baby, their first grandchild. My mother said she was coming over to help with my dad to follow later on. I figured it would be for a couple of weeks and although I was worried about how I'd cope, I agreed (was basically told, not asked). The day before she was due to fly, she told me she would be staying for 6 months. I was too scared to say no. I still figured that I'd be able to handle it because she always normally stays with my sister and visits during the daytime so I figured most of the time this would be what would happen.

However, my sisters dad (mum's first husband) decided her was going to be staying with my sister whilst in town which meant mum had to stay with me which I know was a last resort for her.

From day one, 2 weeks after a horrendous birth and breastfeeding issues (which is why I'm in counselling) she put her bags down then proceeded to tell me everything I'm doing wrong with the baby and tried to take over. If I told her anything about how I wanted to raise my DD she'd become very angry and tell me that she knows more than me as she's had more parenting experience and also said that by telling her what to do with DD, I'm putting her down as a mum and saying she's stupid and old. For example she was putting the baby on her tummy and side to sleep and I said that I wanted DD to sleep on her back for SIDS reasons but she got really upset and told me I was implying she had been a bad mother to me! We had this over everything, feeding, how many blankets to put on the baby, whether to give the baby water, everything became a battle and I was exhausted from not sleeping properly and trying to get over the Emergency Csec. She wouldn't accept that things have changed since she had us.

We had a first massive row about a month ago and she kept saying we were making her feel unwelcome (we have certain rules about food storage etc) and that I wasn't giving her enough of the baby duties and that she didn't feel needed.

I then agreed to give her more nights (1 a week), feeding and other duties and I said that maybe it would be a good idea for her to go to my aunties at weekends as we needed a break from each other every few days. I also invited her out to the pub, restaurant etc but she turned it all down always saying she never felt like it. Many a time she would sit on the sofa in silence, moping about, which made my DH and I feel very uncomfortable. Everything I said seemed to be twisted into me questioning her skills as a mother. I once asked if she had a moment, if she was able to change the babies nappy and she almost went into meltdown saying I had implied she was incapable of changing a nappy!

Sometimes if people came over she was huffy with them and I just felt like I was tip-toeing around her. I also felt I couldn't really stand up to her because she has high blood pressure and was always saying her pressure was up and she felt unwell and thus I didn't want to make it worse.

I started picking my battles, i.e. when she ignored my request not to give DD water or she put her to sleep on her side I tried to ignore it as I didn't want to upset her (my counsellor asked why I was compromising over my own child but I wanted mum to be happy) I also offered to let her come to DD appointments with me as she said I was always running around with the baby and not inviting her.

It was during this time that the nurse told me I was suffering from PND (I think my mother partly contributed to this). I told my mum about the diagnosis and that I was to have counselling. She asked why. I told her again about the birth, that DD nearly didn't make it etc and she said she wasn't even aware this had happened! I told her twice about the birth and she never once remarked on it as she was more concerned with telling me how I should just cope because she?d had babies and knew what it was like and had coped or the latest offence my father had caused (he ignores her a lot of the time and isn't the best husband. He also sees me as some sort of angel and has insisted we speak to him everyday about the baby and calls and calls until we answer the phone, gets very upset if we don't pick up, DH and I sometimes call him the stalker as its a bit much).

I asked her if she thought I was a good mother, she wouldn't answer. When I cooked I'd ask her if she'd liked what I'd made, she's say it was 'okay'.

Anyway 13 weeks later (Tuesday) and I notice a couple of ants in the kitchen. I asked her to move some fruit she had in the corner because I wanted to wipe down and spray ant killer in the corner before we got an infestation and told her that the ants would be attracted to the sugar. I asked her to put them somewhere else like to fridge or on the dining room table. All of a sudden she fly?s past me, picks the fruit up and chucks it in the bin, goes to her room and slams the door. DH and I are like WTF?! So I start shouting upstairs that I don't have to put up with this in my own home and that I can't take it anymore, that she's making things harder for me and that i can't give her anymore emotionally.

The next morning I try and bury the hatchet by saying good morning, she says the same. An hour later I ask if she's able to watch the baby for an hour (she had originally agreed to watch DD every day as I'm doing a work project but in reality she would get up at 10, spend an hour in the shower have brekkie and not be ready to take DD until 12pm then she would go out shopping at 2pm and be back in time to watch that gameshow, The Chaser at 5.15pm, this is despite us agreeing that I would pay her £50 to help out a bit more which what she said she wanted to do anyway). Anyway she got angry and said ?what you mean am I able to watch the baby, are you saying I don't know how to look after a baby'. Again I let it slide as I needed to get back to the PC.

An hour a later she storms up to me shoves £50 into my hand and says 'take it back' I don't want your money, I want nothing from you and I'm going to give back the rest of the money when I can get hold of it as I don't want to be in your debt. I heard you saying you've given me too much (I meant emotionally not financially). I said I didn't have the energy for another argument, I hadn't slept through the stress of the previous days argument. She continued to go on and on and in the end I screamed' get out and get out now!' She stayed sitting on the couch so I told her I wasn't joking that we can't be together and she needs to get her stuff together and stay with auntie as I'm tired of it all (she previously said she didn't want to stay with auntie as her place was small).

She then began to pack her things and I felt bad so wanted to make some level of peace before she went. I said I was sorry it didn't work out, maybe we weren't meant to be together for so long under the same roof. I said that maybe she could stay here on and off and at aunties sometimes to give us all a break. I said that I had my faults etc and it wasn't just her. She then said that I don't like having my family around me, that I haven't welcomed her, that she spent hundreds of pounds to be with me and that she can leave with a 100% clear conscience because it was all my fault and that I'm ungrateful.

My father says she provoked me (he wouldn't dare tell her this though) but I should have just bit my tongue for the next few weeks and my sister is not speaking to me. Mum won't take my calls. MY DH is relieved it's all over. Was I being unreasonable, am I ungrateful? I feel really bad as she raised me and had me in her home and in return I've thrown her out of mine after 3 months.

OP posts:
TheCrackFox · 31/03/2011 14:24

I never use this word, but dammit I will today, your mother is a complete bitch.

YANBU

My mum came to "look after me" for a week after having DS1 (delivered by CS) and she made me one cup of tea. She was one of the biggest reasons that I developed PND. If she had stayed for 6 months I think I would have had a complete nervous breakdown. You have done amazingly well lasting this long.

QuintessentialShadows · 31/03/2011 14:25

Yanbu.

You did the right thing. Is your mother mentally ill? She sounds like she has a really strange grasp of reality.

theressomethingaboutmarie · 31/03/2011 14:25

You deserve a bloody medal. Well done you for getting rid of this toxic woman. How DARE she cause you so much trouble after an evidently difficult birth. Well done OP!!!

BTW, my amateur psycho-analysis here is this: she always put you in second place after your sister yet expects to be first in your priority list despite you having a new born. She also came to stay at your house grudgingly yet expects to have the red carpet laid out for her? She's a narcissist and you are a saint.

CharCharGabor · 31/03/2011 14:26

I'm another who's impressed that you managed 3 months. You've had it hard enough with a traumatic birth, pnd and the difficulties that come when you have a brand new baby. You don't need someone making it more difficult for you. You are so nbu!

eosmum · 31/03/2011 14:28

YADNBU and you need to draw a line under it now. You need to stop beating yourself up over it or it will eat you up and spoil this special time with your first baby. You deserve to not be questioned about how you do things or made feel inadequate and stressed. Your mother was being totally unreasonable and a bully.

lateatwork · 31/03/2011 14:29

blimey. yanbu.

sounds like you were being a parent to two children...

TheCrackFox · 31/03/2011 14:31

Why has the birth of your first child become all about her and not about you, DH and your lovely baby? If she had an ounce of empathy she would never have suggested staying with you for 6 months in the first place. She is a cow bag.

MorticiaAddams · 31/03/2011 14:33

YANBU and she's done a bloody good job of destroying your self-confidence over the years.

If she doesn't want to get on with your father do you think she somehow blames you for being born which meant she had to stay with him? I know it's not your fault and she doesn't have to stay with him but your mother's mind seems warped enough to believe this.

On the other hand you really do need to find some confidence where she's concerned and stand up for yourself and realise you don't need her approval. Presumably when you asked if she thought you were a good mother you were hoping against hope she would say yes when anyone reading this thread knew she wouldn't.

Finally, I don't understand the relevance of you telling her about the birth twice but again I presume it's because she didn't show enough interest. I know it's something some people find interesting but I've had two kids and have no interest in birth stories and really don't get why some find them so fascinating.

chaya5738 · 31/03/2011 14:36

My mum was exactly like this (and I mean, EXACTLY!) when I had my DD except that she arrived before the birth and threw a tantrum the night before DD was born (after the midwife said I was going into labour the next day) and during the labour because I didn't want her in the delivery room. She was unbelievable. She also got very competitive about who was the better mother and if I didn't take up her advice (which was constantly being given) then I was some how rejecting her and implicitly saying she was a bad mother. She also felt very threatened by anyone visiting and was extremely rude to the midwives who came around and felt insanely jealous of the breastfeeding counsellor. It was awful.

I think you should stop reacting to her, keep her at arms length, and enjoy this time with your baby. I wish my mum hadn't made my early memories so awful.

LuluLozenge · 31/03/2011 14:38

"I've never really shouted her before and I feel better that she's gone but bad for her as she'll see it as yet another person letting her down and a serious betrayal. She doesn't forgive easily."

There are two sides though aren't there? What about the fact that she has let YOU down and shouted at YOU? Two people are needed to nurture a relationship, and you are having to bond with your baby AND try and pander to your mum, while getting little back.

I hope some distance will make her see she has acted appallingly, but from what you've said I don't think it will.

And you are NOT a bad daughter!

chaya5738 · 31/03/2011 14:39

She sounds incredibly manipulative, btw. You must remember that noone is responsible for another person's happiness.

My mum makes me feel guilty a lot too (she blames me for her unhappiness an loneliness) and due to my guilt I put up with a lot of crap that I wouldn't put up with from anyone else.

exhausted2011 · 31/03/2011 14:39

she needs help, I don't know how you would go about that, cos she's probably really set in her ways, but if you are to have any kind of meaningful relationship with her, she needs to realise that it's not about her.

TheCrackFox · 31/03/2011 14:39

baddaughter (although I think you should change your name to something like Saint of Daughter- I think you might find this website very helpful indeed.

You mum won't change but you can change the way you react to her. Smile

BoobopTallullah · 31/03/2011 14:41

Yanbu at all she sounds like a loon!! And please please never compromise on the care of your dd for anyone to keep the peace again. If my mum had laid ds on his stomach to sleep I would have turned him over. And it's not YOUR job to keep your mums blood pressure down, it's hers. It's not your responsibility.
And were you paying her £50 a day to look after your dd? I find that mind boggling. I hope (and am pretty sure) your pnd gets better soon. X

waterrat · 31/03/2011 14:44

OP, the reason you have a bad relationship with your mum is because she is an absolute nightmare - sorry, but she sounds horrific. You say you feel guilty and wish you could get on with her like your friends get on with theirs - firstly, dont worry, lots of people have toxic parents - secondly - its because she is toxic, you have been INCREDIBLY tolerant - she has no right to a say on parenting, no right to have night duty/ feeding, and he behaviour has been abhorrant.

It might be hard but I think you will have to seriously look at what an unpleasant person she is and try to move forward on that basis - if you want a relationship with her, it needs to be in the context that she is not going to listen to you or be a good mother - im sorry to say that, but its better to face the truth.

I also suggest you go onto the relationships page and read about toxic parents.

Onetoomanycornettos · 31/03/2011 14:44

She was completely unreasonable, both charging you for looking after the baby (and then not doing it) and making you feel like a crap mum and questioning everything you did. You had to get her out, for your own sanity and to re-establish that this is your family. You have done the right thing, not sure what will happen next but you simply had to draw the line. Hope the PND improves, as someone else said, it may get better now this pressure-cooker situation is over.

chipmonkey · 31/03/2011 14:45

My Mum is a saint, has come to help for a week after I have had the babies and was always a godsend - and I still wouldn't have wanted her to stay for 6 months!

Yours sounds like a horror and you were dead right to kick her out!

thumbwitch · 31/03/2011 14:47

Morticia - it would appear that the OP had to tell her mother about her horrendous birth experience twice because the mother failed to realise the awfulness of it the first time around and was questioning why the OP needed counselling for it. Nearly losing your baby is usually seen as pretty traumatic - it would be safe to assume that most mothers, on hearing that their DD had been through such an experience, might remember being told about it the first time and understand that it was traumatic - but apparently not the OP's mother.

caramelwaffle · 31/03/2011 14:50

YADNBU.

If you were near perfect/a Goddess/could no wrong, your mother would find fault with you; your halo, for example, would be "shining too brightly" etc etc

You will find that your depression will lift.

You may still require help from your G.P. however, you will find yourself better able to cope.

Congratulations BTW.

caramelwaffle · 31/03/2011 14:53

Oh yes: changing your name to SaintDaughter would be a good step.
Smile

MorticiaAddams · 31/03/2011 14:54

Thumbwitch, thanks I missed couple of very important lines there. Apologies baddaughter.

mummytime · 31/03/2011 14:56

YADNBU!!! She is an adult. If she doesn't want to be with your father, she can do the adult thing and end it. She can find herself somewhere to live etc.

To be honest neither of your parents sound the most healthy people. So well done for having got where you are. I am sure the counselling will go much better now!

You are not a bad daughter.

baddaughter · 31/03/2011 14:58

@BoobopTallullah it was £50 a week to get herself a treat and say thanks for helping as she used to say that dad never gave her anything so I wanted to give her a little something to treat herself. DH and I were supposed to be taking her on holiday in May to say thanks and spend quality time together but I don't think that's going to happen now.

After reading my OP again it does actually sound as if she has a mental illness but maybe I was too close to it to see? I knew she was really good at emotionally blackmailing me but I didn't want to hurt her especially as she's lonely and not well but I really want DD to see me being positive and I want a different relationship with her.

It must hurt to be so bitter about everything and see the worst in everything, it hurts me to see that's how she intends to spend the rest of her life.

OP posts:
ChristinaEliopolis · 31/03/2011 14:59

After three days, my mother and I would have been ready to tear each other apart so, no YA so NU.

I can't believe you had to pay her to help you out more. I have an adult daughter and I regularly drive a hundred miles to her house to help her, even without the added attraction of any grandchildren.

Two women, one baby, one kitchen = recipe for disaster. You must be St Good of Daughters Wink

pollyblue · 31/03/2011 15:09

God Almighty, she sounds just like my mother, who reduced me to tears by telling me my DH was a crap Dad, just three hours after i got home from hospital having had twins by emergency section......

Don't waste any more time worrying about it. She's an adult and responsible for her own behaviour, and it sounds like she's behaved bloody appallingly. Alright, there might be fault on both sides but you really don't need her histrionics just after you've given birth. Let her stew in her own juice Grin