the new education teachers of opposite sex can search pupils

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it chilled me some of the regulations are very abolute power to the teacher ..and not in a good way. The opposite sex teacher can search students is horrific.
to balance it out though the mobile phone rules I agree with something needed doing.
Discuss your views.

They won't whilst I have breath in my body. And as others have said it's about punishing the parents, well the parents aren't going to "deal with it" they are going to tell you to fcuk off and then you can sit in the staff room moaning. Or you could just give 24 hours or think of something else.

they are going to tell you to fcuk off and then you can sit in the staff room moaning

Hardly surprising such behaviour from pupils is common in many schools, given role models like you.

is there any research on the impact of detentions on children? I would think that they would help children who get the odd detention to buck their ideas up, but if children are getting detention a lot then doesn't that suggest that the system isn't working? As the new procedures are to deal with pupils who are the most disruptive I don't see how this will have any positive effect at all for these pupils. After all, the majority of pupils who are excluded from school have SEN.

ok so you dont eed 24 hours notice but you do need to inform the parent the same day? by when?

thats ok then, its not like you will be wonderin where your kid is

It's not going to have any positive effects at all, this is a massive step backwards in my opinion and totally un necessary, I'm gobsmacked at any teachers being in favor at all. My SIL is a deputy head and she's horrified at the thought of having to get the stick out after all the good work she's spent the last ten years doing with carrots.

mamatomany ........"It was usually children of single mums who didn't have all the time in the world to sort out kit or drop off forgotten items, same faces every week, not effective then and won't be now."

You really do have a dim view of single parents. I was brought up by a 'single parent' since my father died when I was 7. My mother brought up 5 children by herself and had a job too.
What eviltwins said is right And you knnow what, forgetting equipment, if it's somthing which happens again and again, isn't "stupid" - it gets in the way. No PE kit, no pen, no homework, no French book - kids need to learn to be organised. I was organised, I didn't need my mother to pack my PE kit for me, I was taught by both her and the school to be disciplined.

Well bully for you Maisy, my dad as a single parent didn't do quite so well and if you lost a piece of equipment or had it damaged or stolen he wasn't about to replace it so I just got yelled at by the teachers, then there were the children who were in care at our school who nobody even bought the kit in the first place for, multiple detentions there too. Nothing to do with my opinion, can't believe this attitude is still prevailing in this day and age.

Is noone going to point out that the most dangerous route home for a child is In their parents( or any adults ) car? Statistically speaking of course but I is worth thinking about if you are going to use terms like 'endanger' when it comes to kids doing detentions.

I have worked in a private school that not only gave evening detentions but also Saturday ones - so it is not a state - private issue.

I always say to children if an after school detention is a problem don't get one - problem solved.

there have been so many comments on this thread which highlights exactly the reason why my job is so hard.

As has already been said - schools have landlines in which they contact parents/be contacted so having a mobile in school is a non-excuse

Detentions are becoming the only form of punishment that we are still allowed to use (as Goblinchild stated, stopping someone from playing cricket would just be a joke in the vast majority of schools)

By not agreeing with the school rules and policy you are setting out a very dangerous path for your dcs - they need to know that rules are there to be followed and not just when darling mummy says so

I was a head of year to a student whose parent wouldn't allow after school detentions, insisting that they undertook them at lunchtime etc - this meant that a member of staff missed their lunch and 40 minutes of sanity.
This student played on this fact of not having to do after school dts and his behaviour become 10x worse because of it; a simple few detentions would have set him straight early on (I wont comment on the type of life he is leading now.....)

I'm not seeing the problem here. I don't understand why teachers are resisting. The govt are giving you the power to search. If you don't like it.....don't use it! They are not saying strip search each child.

Teaching nowadays is hard enough mainly because teachers have no powers to do anything to an errant child. And you can't make someone responsible whilst not giving them the powers they need. But need is not equal to must use

You have the right to search, but the child may argue vociferously, lie down, shove you away, accuse you of hurting them...it's a complex situation that I would not wish to become involved with.
Too many child protection and safeguarding issues to pick through, and the consequences for the teachers could be drastic.
The police are allowed to use restraint and arrest and have training in that.
I'd rather have a check-in point for technology, then a machine they passed through that fried anything they still had on them.

Goblinchild I know you are right that a child may argue, lie down, shove, etc but aren't there some children who will refuse at the moment simply because they know they can get away with it?

A request to turn out their pockets or have them turned out by the teacher at the moment is more likely to meet with obstinate refusal because the child knows that, to carry out the threat, the teacher must leave the room to find another teacher (witness/same sex) during which time the object, if there is one, can be removed and either handed to someone else or hidden. If a child knows that the teacher has the power, even if only theoretically, to carry out the threat, there and then, aren't a significant number of children likely to comply?

I know that there are, sadly, a number of children who really won't care and will behave badly anyway but I'm sure that there are a number also who behave badly because they want to "appear" to run with the "bad crowd" but, faced with a bit more authority, would probably buckle at the first hurdle.

In short, I do believe that there are some disruptive children who are such simply because they can be. This new measure, I think, may go some way to "sorting the wheat from the chaff" so to speak and at least cut down the level of disruption. It would also highlight those children who have a real problem with behaviour/anger management etc so that, hopefully, they would get some help?

To protect the adult and the child, I can't imagine that the searches could be carried out without another adult present anyway.
Can we just issue teachers with a sturdy bag and a hammer? Then the cost of replacement may act as a deterrent.