I am so middle class

[sundayrose10]

Yes if you say so.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1369760/From-single-mums-benefits-stately-home-owners-middle-class-now.html

Whatever you are, where-ever you live, where-ever you come from - be proud of yourself and don't allow anyone to pidgeon hole you.

I read that too. I can't believe the woman at the top of the article thinks she's middle class! Not working and living on benefits. Her parents were a sales manager and a nurse. They aren't middle class either. My partner & I have a joint income of around £70,000, live in a decent home, both have degrees but there is no way we are middle class so she certainly isn't.

My clever late elder brother said I was "middle class, without the trappings."

Is that one of the options?

I thought class was defined by your parents' occupations?

Kate Middleton is a prime example of what Middle Class means. Someone might want to point that out to the woman on benefits!

Nurses are classed as middle class because they belong to a profession.

What if Kate Middleton had ended up on benefits.Hammy? Would she still be middle class?

I loved that she tried to say because she wanted nice things and to send her child to private school she was middle class. No, you arent, just idealising in the same way that my very working class parents did.

As far as I am concerned I couldnt care less about class - I respect people who work hard, live according to their choices and look beyond clothes or furniture as a means a guaging what someones status is.

most people who outwardly call themselves mc are very far from it!

havent read the article, im guessing by the benefits comment she really isnt

Going on parents' occupation, yes she would Gabby.

Yes-Kate would still be middle class if she was on benefits due to her education and background.

prettyfly1 has brought some balls to the class debate.

Class divisions deserve the mockery they usually get from
good writers.

I suppose it is largely a case of income groups of a feather
flocking together.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1369760/From-single-mums-benefits-stately-home-owners-middle-class-now.html sorry, I'm too lazy to cut & paste it into the URL bar as I'd have to delete something first.

There are two ways of measuring class - occupation and people's subjective views of themselves, this includes their level of education, aspirations, values, outlook and lifestyle.

I don't know much about what constitutes middle class, but reading that article, the first woman definitely doesn't seem middle class and neither does the one who does other people's nails.

It sounds all mixed up to me.

What social class does a writer come under??

And the point of that article is?

The woman in the article isn't middle class and somebody who does nails isn't either because neither of these occupations requires a professional qualification/degree. A professional occupation involves specific criteria and includes level of study and ongoing professional development, belonging to a professional body etc.

The concept of class is a bit outmoded now anyway. It only exists in people's minds really.

I think the article was written as apparently 70% of people now think they are middle class comparied to about 30% 20 years ago. Hardly anyone that thinks they are middle class actually are. (Not that it matters). People think just because they own their own home and have a degree that they're middle class. Bunkum.

Blimey am I middle class,then???

I am below average income single parent with post graduate degree

Weird

Whats with all this class stuff anyhow??

I thought I was middle class. not sure now.
Is there a test I can do or a set of questions that someone on here could give me to determine my standing?
although I'm Irish so that may automatically make me a peasant in the eyes of the English class system.

Is snobbery creeping it a bit here?

BELLED...Yes it is all very mixed up and none scientific or religious.

Writers? the good ones are in a very speciall class of their own.

NURSES? thery may be a profession; but they dont get professional
pay.

Evelyn Waugh was by general consent a snob and a brilliant writer.

Cruel with it, apparently. He quarreled with the BBC ...got a reporter round to the mansion. Served him the most difficult fruit to eat; and watched with glee as the lower orders chap struggled to eat it.

He was an awful but amusing character. But I preferred his son Auberon.
Who was less cruel and wrote a funny diary for Private Eye rag.

We cannot do CLASS without doing snobbery, can we? There are of course
all sorts of snobs. Money snobs; educational snobs; clothes snobs. furniture snobs.

No such thing as a Mumsnet snob.

At college, we covered class in Sociology, where the tutor gave the best measure of class I've yet seen. It's not about how much you earn (a plumber can earn far more than a university lecturer), it's about what you spend it on (think humungous TVs versus piano lessons).

Whilst clinging to my working-class roots, I must sadly conclude that I am probably middle-class now.l

I presume I'm middle class because I went to private school, live in Wandsworth and have an organic veg box delivered every Friday. Couldn't care less about the other criteria.