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To think the atheists on MN are a bunch of miserable whingers

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GothAnneGeddes · 21/03/2011 01:33

Every bloody week it's a new thread whining on about how terrible it is that there is religion in the world.

A prominent feature of such threads is the intolerance and stupidity of religious folk, yet threads by believers insulting atheists are very rare.

Besides, aren't you all meant to be so happy to be freed from the shackles of religion, that you're too busy having fun to moan?

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Roseflower · 22/03/2011 22:08

Well Catholic already exists. Personally I would say one per religion because each religion is so so rich and diverse it is the best way to get a deep and satisying understanding.

Roseflower · 22/03/2011 22:10

Heathen I guess reading back it could be read like that, but no not what I meant. I just meant the attiude of entitlment was wrong.

Himalaya · 22/03/2011 22:10

Of course I don't mind roseflower. read away

it's clearly not something well publicised.

MistyValley · 22/03/2011 22:18

Roseflower - so that would mean that for a teacher not to be discriminated against wrt employment in a faith school, they would have to gain around half a dozen extra qualifications so that they could potentially teach in Catholic, C of E, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh and Hindu state schools? Is that realistic? (Serious question, I have no idea what would be involved in gaining these qualifications.)

MillyR · 22/03/2011 22:22

I don't see an issue with having to get specific qualifications for specific schools. It is rather like being asked to gain specific qualifications to work with different client groups in the voluntary sector.

MistyValley · 22/03/2011 22:27

I'm not sure that it's the same thing really, given the culture of discrimination which appears to exist. It would be a shame for someone to go to all that effort, only to be discriminated against anyway, even if covertly.

Habbibu · 22/03/2011 22:29

"Personally I would say one per religion because each religion is so so rich and diverse it is the best way to get a deep and satisying understanding." Could you not say that about, say History, or Geography, or many other subjects?

Habbibu · 22/03/2011 22:29

I mean, you're kind of creating a university at that level...

Roseflower · 22/03/2011 22:34

Misty- the Catholic school's already have a qualification.
To have it boosts your chance of employment with an exta bow to your string. It guarantee's nothing.
It is simply a choice for those with an intrest to deepen their academic understanding to gain the certificate should they wish. I see that as positive.

They would not have to gain qualifications it would be entirely non-compulsory (as the Cath. one is). But if people want to enhance their understanding a improve their CV's they have a choice.

Some people like me, actually enjoy learning about such things.

Like any profession people often have to take qualifications to get ahead. If Dh whats to get chartered in his career he will have to take a large number of exams.

For my father to become CEO of his company he had to take many exams.

When my uncle went from dentist to orthodontist he had to study for years.

It's quite normal to gain extra qualifications to spealisie in an area of interest.

Roseflower · 22/03/2011 22:35

The Catholic certificate I did you did through distance learning. A guess like a module from an OU course. Really no biggie.

Roseflower · 22/03/2011 22:39

Could you not say that about, say History, or Geography, or many other subjects?

But for teachers who spealise in these subjects they do require futher Professional development if they choose to move up the ladder.

If I had wanted to become the school art co-ordinatoor I would be expected to futher my qualifications. Or Foundation leader.

If I had ever wanted to be head I would have to pass specific qualifications.

MistyValley · 22/03/2011 22:42

Hmm - well predictably I'm going to say I don't think it's a good idea as I don't believe in state faith schools anyway! It seems - again - to give faith schools a 'special' status if you have to have a 'special' qualification to teach there, and won't necessarily be an attractive option for teachers to do unless they want to teach RE or have a particular personal in interest in one or more faiths.

DarkSkies · 22/03/2011 22:42

To be fair- to become CEO of a company, you only really need to found the company.

prettybird - not sure where you are, but in my LA there are Islamic state schools. (as well as RC, CE, and Judaic)

Habbibu · 22/03/2011 22:44

Yes, but you were saying that there should be a different teacher for each religion - or did you mean qualification? Because each era/geographical location is just as complex, so I'm not sure why RE should have such special status. Or am I just misunderstanding?

MistyValley · 22/03/2011 22:46

But for a HISTORY teacher to do extra HISTORY qualifications makes sense.

It does not make sense for someone to have to do a special qualification just to get through the door for interview, if it is going to have little to do with what they will actually be teaching.

Habbibu · 22/03/2011 22:48

Oh, qualification, I see. Sorry.

Roseflower · 22/03/2011 22:48

To be fair- to become CEO of a company, you only really need to found the company.

Lol. What a load of tosh. He didn't found the company if he did then excellent. He's CEO of international company and Im pretty proud of him. Oh DH just told be he is now chairman.

Im glad you think you know my dad somehow darkskies

Habbibu · 22/03/2011 22:49

Tangential, but having been to an RC school I had no idea the Reformation wasn't universally seen as A Bad Thing until I got to university. A faith ethos can spread further than just RE and assembly.

Roseflower · 22/03/2011 22:50

Tbh Im talking about primary. I dont know about secondary never studied it. In primary you have to teach everything, so a qualification in any NC is useful to the teacher, school & pupils.

DarkSkies · 22/03/2011 22:53

I wasn't commenting on your father, only other CEOs I know! WHy would I assume I know anything about your father?

I was just pointing out that most CEOs in my experience have not needed any additional qualifications once they are in the company.

Roseflower · 22/03/2011 22:57

You made a comment based on the fact I said my dad was CEO. One that was wrong and served no purpose for the discussion.
Im sure those CEO's needed qualifications to gain their status in first place, but I couldn't possibly comment

MistyValley · 22/03/2011 23:00

I can understand that extra qualifications are all to the good if they are relevant to your career.

But I'd still question a system which required teachers to take qualifications in religion, or face discrimination. It's discriminatory because extra qualifications in say, history, wouldn't carry the same weight.

DarkSkies · 22/03/2011 23:04

Some of them have MBAs, yes, some do not. Your post just seemed overlaborious really.

I would like to know if the existence of god is a fact?
And if it is a fact, what is the source of that fact.
And if it is not a fact, then how can god be said to exist?

I would like to know if transubstantiation is a fact, and where the evidence/source for that fact is? (you are teaching in a RC school, is that right?)

DarkSkies · 22/03/2011 23:06

MistyValley (I love your name btw) - would a language qualification help teachers gaining a position in a Language Specialist School, even if the main subject were History, Maths or English say?

DarkSkies · 22/03/2011 23:07

darn it- missed a 'not' out after qualification...

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