AIBU to think that this is outrageous

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If this happens and firms are allowed to opt out of maternity and paternity leave

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Imagine trying to ask someone who runs a business to think creatively and use some sense. As if.

beesimo - you clearly aren't a fair and decent employer, you have cheerfully admitted to breaking the law by discriminating against women. I do hope someone takes you to a tribunal and exposes you for what you are.

edam you clearly are a clever dick who couldn't even answer the very basic questions I posed in my previous posts. No doubt you are a genuis at quoting chapter and verse but are you actually ever called upon to make any decisions in the real world. This country has been run off the rails by stupid ignorant people who think that there is a bottomless pit of money when actually there isn't.

For your information we are such rotten employers that we never have to advertise as all our new employees are relatives/friends of our current/past employees. We pay at least £7.50 per hour and you are paid by the job you do not by your age for example the 16 year old waitresses get the same as the 22year olds

Oh dear not breaking more of your precious laws am I ?

shocking and depressing to see all the selfish myopic small-business-owning Tories bleating about having to break the law and discriminate against women

people have DIED for women to have the meagre and inadequate nods towards equality that we currently have

you grubby, miserly, stupid talentless tossers

don't run a business if you have no business acumen, no vision, no humanity and cannot make your venture profitable within the law and without treating other human beings worse than cattle

ffs sometimes I hate this country

bees - you think it is 'clever' to realise that there are these pesky things called laws and you have to obey them unless you want to end up in court?

You opened your big gob and revealed your law-breaking in public. No-one forced you to.

'Where do they think their customers and workers come from, exactly, immaculate conception?'

Small, pedantic, aside: you mean virgin birth. Immaculate conception isn't the same thing. Sorry for interruption.

Lol Abr1de that annoys me too!

I thought if MM net was about anything it was about honesty I am happy to break man made laws I don't agree with I live by my own moral code see previous posts on this thread. As far as I anm concerned 'Laws'are simply systems of consquences and punishments used to control the behaviour of the general population, endorsed and enforced by the goverment of the day.

"It may be illegal but is nigh on impossible to prove that a man or an older woman got the job due to prejudice instead of experience, presentation or interview technique. Unless a potential employer is stupid enough to ask about marital status or childcare at interview they are very unlikely to get caught."

Not first time, but after a few years, when they have NEVER hired a woman of child bearing age...

Giddy - but that's the case when any employee leaves/goes off long-term sick/goes under a bus.

Bees - presumably you don't bother to call the police if someone nicks your purse, or burgles your house, or steals your car?

yes, obv depends how often they recruit, but then that also relates to how big a problem it is iyswim.
You would need to look at the make up of applicants to see if it compares, and how they are advertising their jobs etc

edam no I wouldn't I live in the country and if anybody did anything to me or mine or took anything of ours trust me DH would soon sort it out country style

Yes, I agree
ust mulling over in my mind how you would know...

Given that age prejudice is a very real, common and growing problem I don't feel at all bad about saying I'd prefer to hire women over 45.

I have't got children, however I worked for a large corporation and would have felt comfortable about taking mat leave if any of my pregnancies had stuck. At that time there was a 2-year qualifying period for SMP, so at least you would have got about 18 months' worth of good work before an employee went off to have kids.

If people are to be given the RIGHT to take up to year off work for personal reasons, with compensatory pay and a guaranteed return to work, then I feel it should be treated as a sabbatical with qualifying periods and flexible contigency in case they decide not to come back.

Small businesses can't afford to employ somebody who might not come to work for more than a few weeks. Big ones can. Having said that, I don't know any high-flying women who've taken their full entitlement. They take their jobs seriously and know the value of their input to their employers. Work-life balance is the thing, I believe.

When I was working and having miscarriages, I used to think all employees should have the option of paid sabbatical leave. Let's ssay everyone who works for a large company has the right to a year off for every five years worked? How does that sound to you guys?

I do think that it's the start of a slippery slope. What happens next, do small businesses opt out of paying sick pay to staff who are ill, or opt out of paying into a pension, or opt out of Health and Safety regs etc etc.

It's all well and good, having generous leave laws. But I think it leads to more employers just using temp agencies so they don't have to suck up the cost of all this.