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to think DH is being an ARSE?

35 replies

soangryIcouldspit · 15/03/2011 21:30

My father is going to have major heart surgery in two weeks. There is a very complicated history between us. He is an alcoholic diabetic who smokes about 80 a day. The surgery is high risk. There is a good chance he won't make it.

Dh's mother has a significant birthday that weekend.

We are driving to our hometown that weekend for the birthday - will arrive Thursday lunchtime. The journey is appox 6 hours from where we live. We can't just make it any time. I want to go to see my father. He lives about 90 minutes from dh's home (adding length to our journey). Dh wants us to go on Thursday as soon as we've driven down and will not even let me consider Fri or Sat as it will "interfere" with his mother's birthday celebrations.

Dh doesn't think seeing my dad is a priority because I "could have gone" when I last went home (when I didn't because I was very angry with him for being quite abusive to my brother that very week and because ds was ill). I have not been home since.

He also wants me to arrange it in advance even though many years' experience have shown that if I tell my father I am visiting that he will drink. He is still very much actively drinking despite upcoming surgery. I said to dh that I really need him just to support what I am doing and that it doesn't FUCKING matter if it takes 5 hours out of a weekend in the circumstance. I am not scheduling the trip at any time that the family have arranged anything.

I am fuming. It got to the stage that I was begging dh to stop talking about it today because he keeps wanting to talk about the "logistics" and sighing when I suggest x or y or z. I am so upset that he doesn't get that it is a big deal. I thought he understood after all these years. He seems to want me to hate my father and in some ways I do, but he is STILL my father and if he dies, it will still hurt like fucking hell.

He says things like: "what happens if he's not there?" and I say "well, then I will know that I tried, but I just can't arrange in advance as we know how that will go" and he says: "well, are you going to want to go see him again? How is that going to fit with our plans?" and I say "no, I won't want to go see him again" and he says "but how can you be sure, it won't be fair on my mother if we go on Friday as she has taken the day off work!" and I say "I promise I won't want to go again but I have to try to see him in a morning as this is the only shot I have at catching him sober" and he says "but what if he isn't?" etc etc and I say "but I have to try" and he says "but I don't see why" and I say, and sigh, "because he's my father." Unhelpfully, dh then says things like: "yes but if it was my father I would go and see him for the whole weekend". Yes, dh, because YOU have a relationship with your father. "Well, yes, I do, and you don't, so why do you want to see him?".

He doesn't get it. I need to see him. I know it won't be good and it won't change the shit that's gone on but it's what I want to do and I have thought it through and the last thing I fucking NEED is to hear how it might piss on his bloody mother's parade for us to be absent for 4-5 hours out of a long weekend.

Dh and I have been together 13 years. He has seen a lot of the shit my father has put the family through and yes my father is a PITA and a total failure and many other things, but there was a time in my life he was the world to me, when he was a good man who people admired. Not now, but I remember him as what he was.. and how he used to bring me Creme eggs and sing me to sleep and search for crabs in rock pools.

He is my father. That's it, really. I want to see him because he wants to see me. I want him to see his only grandson again in case he dies. He has only seen him twice Sad.

Am I mad to think that should be enough? That it is worth 4-5 hours of my dh's time without me having to explain it again and again? I keep telling him it is upsetting me to talk about it. I ended up getting extremely wound up and screaming at him earlier because he just won't let it GO even though I keep asking him just to play it my way, just this ONCE.

AIBU?

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ChaoticAngelofAnarchy · 15/03/2011 21:34

YANBU

Your DH is being an arse. He needs to support you in what you want to do even if he doesn't understand why you want to do it.

ginmakesitallok · 15/03/2011 21:37

Can't you go see your father by yourself if DH won't go?

ginmakesitallok · 15/03/2011 21:37

oh - but YANBU DH is being an arse

lusciousliz · 15/03/2011 21:41

why dont you go to dad and he go to mum

soangryIcouldspit · 15/03/2011 21:46

Two reasons - 1) I can't drive (have taken 5 tests, still learning) and 2) I need dh to come because I need to basically arrive on the doorstep to see if my dad is sober or not and I don't want ds (toddler) to come with me to do this in case there's a scene that might upset or frighten him. We have done this in the past - dh waits with ds until I give go-ahead.

I know that's fucked up, by the way, but it's the only way I feel safe going to see him.

I do understand why dh wonders why I bother when I write that.

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pink4ever · 15/03/2011 21:47

Why are you allowing your dh to dictate when and for how long you see your father?. Surely its not really his business and you dont have to justify it to him?. Go and see your dad(I have similiar issues with my own father but maintain distant contact because as you say its still your dad at the end of the day).

mrsmoores · 15/03/2011 21:47

YANBU - you poor, poor thing, what a horrible and frustating situation to be in.

Of course you need to go and see you dad, I'm sure if you didn't and if (god forbid) he doesn't make it, you will regret it so much and no doubt it will cause problems with your dh, resentment etc.

His mum will no doubt have many birthdays ahead of her, your father may not.

Ormirian · 15/03/2011 21:49

He is being unfair.

You need him on side 100% to cope with this.

dontforgetthejoker · 15/03/2011 21:51

YANBU. It really annoys me when ADULTS get precious about birthdays ( however significant; - a birthday is by definition one day ; when did celebrations start having to be days on end?) when there are far more important things ie life and death going on. Hope you get to see your Dad and the op goes well. Also hope mil has a good birthday, but hey ...

poochela · 15/03/2011 21:52

what mrsmoores said.

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Hassled · 15/03/2011 21:54

Please just show him what you've written here. You're right, of course - and you've explained precisely how right you are very very well. Your DH may just need to see it in black and white.

jenga079 · 15/03/2011 21:55

YANBU.

How well do you get on with MIL? Could you get her onside? She may understand how important it is that you see your dad and help DH understand it too.

Are there any nice parks / walks etc near your dad that you, DH, DS and MIL could visit together on the Friday? Then DH could still spend time with her but you could also see your dad.

Etalb · 15/03/2011 22:10

URNBU I hope u get to see him sober x

untilitsleeps · 15/03/2011 22:19

jenga that is a very diplomatic and good idea!

OTheHugeManatee · 15/03/2011 22:38

I think you're angry with your dad (for being ill, for being an alcoholic, for being a smoker, for everything else) more than with your DH.

So IMO while your DH is being a bit unreasonable you are taking it out on him when it's not really him you want to scream at in rage and frustration. So you are both being a bit U. But it's a shit situation and YANBU to be angry and frustrated, if you see what I mean. I hope you get to see your dad. Sad

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 15/03/2011 22:43

YANBU

If I am honest though I can see your DH's perspective as well. He is probably angry at all the hurt you've experience because of your father and finding it difficult to process the fact that despite all of it you still want to go and see him.

Can you go and see your Dad on the Thursday? If you are just going to turn up then does it matter when you go?

Terraviva · 15/03/2011 23:04

YANBU. You need your DH's support to cope with this and he is being an arse.

MorticiaAddams · 16/03/2011 10:46

YANBU but I also don't think your dh is being an arse and I can see his point.

He sounds very angry at your father and quite rightly so. You are the person he loves most in the world and he can't stand the way you have been treated.

On the other hand he has a mother who has loved and nurtured him and hopefully been a good mil to you and why should his mother's weekend be spoilt when she has done nothing but good whereas your father is getting rewarded for his bad behaviour.

Why can't you go and see your father on the Thursday?

soangryIcouldspit · 16/03/2011 11:48

I need to go in the morning as it is the only chance of meeting him sober. We have to drive down on Thurs and due to the length of the journey/things that need to be done that day, we can't arrive down until lunchtime.

Morticia, it's not about "rewarding" my father for his "bad behaviour". It's about me making some attempt to make a transitory peace with my father in case he dies.

My very point is that yes, dh has had two parents who have loved and nurtured him - that is good fortune indeed in this world. It will be true next week and the week after and next year and the year after that.

My father threw his entire life away and hurt us all in the process, and yes, I can see this upsets my dh.. but there is a grief there that it turned out this way. When I was a young girl he was a great dad. He lost his way. I have immense anger and sadness and frustration about that, yes, but it's not a simple case of "bad behaviour". He has tried very hard with sobriety but it has never worked - he has been in rehab 19 times in 13 years. It is a miserable existence and he has failed again, and again. It's easy to see that as "bad behaviour" but actually it's kind of tragic. My father was seriously physically abused by his own father who also sexually abused the girls of the family. My grandmother often says that she thought she would never reach 50. My father took her into our home as soon as he had one and created a massive rift in the family by doing so (his older brothers didn't feel it was right to "interfere").
This led to all sorts of regrets and sadnesses in my father's life. I don't judge him for ending up as he has although it saddens me greatly that we can't have a normal conversation as he is so rarely sober.

Just because your parent has fucked up their life doesn't mean that no honour is due to them. A 60th birthday isn't quite the same as potentially dying, really. He didn't end up in the situation he is in on purpose. No malice was ever implied. He is gravely ill and of course his choices have led to that.. I won't pretend that doesn't upset me, it does.

I don't really talk to my IL's about my father. They know the story but we don't have that kind of relationship, really. I'd like to say I wasn't somewhat ashamed but I am so it's not something discussed in the open with anyone but my family and dh.

I know dh means well really . I also know he hates my father. I just wish he could leave those feelings aside for once.

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KatieWatie · 16/03/2011 11:56

YANBU
I hope you get to see your dad, and that he's sober

Oh, and you have nothing to be ashamed of
xx

Petsville · 16/03/2011 11:57

Soangry, Sad for you. You're in an awful situation and YANBU, but I agree with the poster above who said your DH isn't exactly being an arse either. I cut contact with my father ten years ago, but if I hadn't I think my DH would feel very like yours.

Could you show him this thread? You've explained very clearly and movingly why you need to see your dad, and it might help your DH to see it in writing.

SoupDragon · 16/03/2011 11:59

Your DH needs to grow up and stop being a selfish twat.

Ask him how he would feel if you refused to facilitate a visit to his parents in the scenario where one of them might die.

Love him or hate him you are right: he is your father and you need to opportunity to say goodbye in the best circumstances you can manage (ie a morning). You aren't asking to spend days with him at the cost of time with your MIL on her birthday. I feel certain she would agree if she knew the circumstances but it is your choice not to explain fully and I can understand why. However, if they already know he has "issues", I'm sure you could say he is undergoing major surgery and you need to visit him in case he dies. No great detail is needed.

Ormirian · 16/03/2011 12:00

And it's not your DH's business to feel angry with your DH on your behalf. He's your husband not your emotional guardian.

I got close to hating my FIL for the way he treated DH and his sisters. Selfishh, self-obsessed tosser. But never ever ever would I have told him that. Not my business - up to DH to come to terms with it, not me.

Desperateforthinnerthighs · 16/03/2011 12:03

YANBU - he is your dad and you need to see him...end of!!

EldritchCleavage · 16/03/2011 12:04

I feel your DH does need to accept your choice and help make the visit happen. My in-laws were quite toxic parents to my DH in many ways, but when he has needed me to support efforts with them that they were bound to take for granted I have just done it. The very fact that it is so conflicted and messy and painful is WHY I have given my support without too much quibbling.

And I agree with dontforgetthejoker about adult birthdays. Unless your MIL is 7, presumably she will understand a possible final goodbye with a parent trumps a birthday weekend.

That said, your DH and his family are presumably the ones who support you with your struggles with your father and look after you when he lets you down. Please do pull your punches, however much you stick to your guns about the visit, and try not to take out on them the hurt that the situation causes you.