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to wish my dad would stop enabling my son?

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Bogeyface · 15/03/2011 19:52

I havent been sure whether to post this but the last 24 hours have got me to boiling point and I need to know!

DS1 is my parents eldest grandchild and has always been special to them. Alot of this comes from the fact that he has Cerebal Palsy and as a child needed alot of physio and operations. They did alot to help me and him and I do appreciate that. But they did wrap him in cotton wool, my mother for instance thought I was cruel to allow him to do normal PE at school when he wanted to as he wouldnt be any good at it. He did struggle but enjoyed it and always tried his best, but she thought it was better to not try than for him to try and inevitably fail (in her eyes).

Now he is 20 and self caring, and his only problems are a limp and limited use of his left hand. I expect him to do as much of his own stuff as possible, washing, cleaning etc and his "chore" (we all have one or two that are our own specific jobs) is loading and unloading the dishwasher. About the only thing I do for him is his ironing as he really does struggle with that, despite trying several times.

He has struggled to get a job, basically because although we know he has been written off due his disability, it is mainly down to the fact that he fucked about at school and then again at college. Everything is too much like hard work and his excuse for everything is his disability. My dad has always said "oh but its so hard for him" but it isnt as hard as he makes out! If he had applied himself at school and college instead of doing the bare minimum he would have some decent qualifications. As it is he has no passes at GCSE grade C or above and bare passes in 2 unrelated and frankly useless college courses (both needed further study to be of use which he didnt want to do). Being disabled doesnt alter the fact that he is bloody lazy. He is lazy about most things, always needing to be asked to do his chore and then moaning about it, wearing smnelly clothes rather than washing them because he cant be arsed.

So he is signing on and although I insist he gives me some board each week (£15 out of £54 per week), what he has left is spent on crap, such as Xbox games and then he complains that he has to walk everywhere because I refused him lifts or loans. I say that the money is for him to live on and that includes transport, not effing games so he should learn to budget!

He had a job interview last week and what I thought was seeing my dadto get some tips on the interview was actually Dad cleaning DS's shoes for him and getting his clothes ready! He can clean his own shoes, but Dad insisted on doing it for him. He also gave DS some money for his transport as despite knowing about the interview, DS had spent all of his JSA on crap again, within 4 days of getting paid.

Now Dad has decided that DS should claim DLA despite being told by me that we have claimed and claimed over the years and even though he has a full CP diagnosis, brain damage scans, been through the appeals process over and over etc, he has always been refused because he doesnt need help with personal care and he doesnt need help for mobility. Dad says that the extra money will help him.

To do what exactly?! Help him find another excuse to not work at getting a job? There are alot of organisations aimed at helping disabled people into work (I asked on here about Remploy a few weeks back) but DS cant be arsed to get in touch, so doesnt.

It seems to me that he is only disabled when it suits him iykwim. He is ok being disabled to get free money or excuses made, but when it means putting a bit of effort into getting intouch with people who can help him, he doesnt need it! He is also fine for going out with his mates and being in a band, he can put the effort into that.

Last night Dad rang me asking me to go around tonight to help fill in the DLA form because despite insisting that they all knew better than me, there was stuff on there that only I knew, not mum and dad or DS. I was dead on my feet. I had been up since 4:30am as I couldnt sleep and then at the hospital with DS2 since 7am til 5pm. Not once did Dad ask how DS2 was after his op, he just went on about DS1 and how I should be more supportive.

I said I didnt know if I would be able to make it due to DH working and would let him know. Put the phone down and cried and cried.

How fucking supportive do I need to be?! I was at school and hospital and physio and heavens knows where else all the bloody time as he was growing up. I fought the school who wouldnt deal with his being bullied, I did his physio day in and day out, I got him into college when he otherwise wouldnt have managed it (more fool me as it turned out). I put a roof over his head and heavily subsidise his food bill. If he moved out (as he has threatened) he would go to his mates house whos parents would happily let him live there rent and bill free, they have told me this. Mates mother has said that she thinks its disgusting I charge him the nominal board I take from him. So him moving out would only compound the problem as there would be more excuses made.

All I want is for him to start taking responsibility for himself and act like the 20 year old adult he is, not the child that my father keeps enabling him to behave like. Slipping him a tenner every so often isnt helping him to learn to budget for example.

AIBU to ask my dad to pack it in (AGAIN) and cause another row (AGAIN)? Or should I just give up and let them help him fuck up his life, which I am perilously close to doing. I have 4 other children and one on the way, which my father seems to forget.

UPDATE: Was proof reading this when DS got back from going round about the fecking DLA forms, with a new chair that my dad has bought him. A cheapy office type chair because DS was complaining his old one was hurting his back (because he spends so much time sitting on his arse infront of his X-Box) and I said that he could get a cheap one from Argos well within his budget or even the YMCA shop. Dad has bought him one instead. I give up.

OP posts:
Bogeyface · 15/03/2011 19:52

Blimey, sorry about the epic!

OP posts:
FabbyChic · 15/03/2011 20:02

You put a roof over his head comes across as you feeling like he owes you something for all you have done.

All our children be them disabled or otherwise deserve a roof and do not have to have it thrown back in their faces.

Do you know the struggle he goes through just to go to one interview? Do you not realise how hard it will be for him to actually be employed, not withstanding the qualifications his disabilities are going to thrwart him at every turn. If he spends his money so fucking what is he not entitled to some respite, some happiness.

You sound like you have given up, he is special and I applaud your father for taking the time to treat him special because you sure don't and nobody else will.

YOu make it sound a chore to have him. Charming.

He should be entitled to DLA and should get it.

So what if he has no formal qualifications. Doesn't make him stupid, have you ever been inside his head? Do you know how hard life must be for him, so when he gets his money he wants to spend it on something for him and why not?

Give the fucking kid a break he sounds like he deserves one from you.

Bunbaker · 15/03/2011 20:06

The thing is FabbyChic he will have to fend for himself one day. It is called tough love. when Bogeyface's parents are no longer around and eventually when she is unable to look after him who will?

hardhatdonned · 15/03/2011 20:07

Disagree with you there FabbyChic, his disability sounds incredibly minor despite having a label of a disability that is notoriously more severe.

He sounds like a lazy sod and i'm with the OP here.

Clytaemnestra · 15/03/2011 20:08

"Do you know the struggle he goes through just to go to one interview?"

I'm betting she does, since she lives with him and knows his disabilities and limitations pretty damn well.

hardhatdonned · 15/03/2011 20:08

Saying that have you actually sat him down and shown him how to budget?

TattyDevine · 15/03/2011 20:09

I think if its possible for a child who has no disabilities to become disengaged and lack focus, then it is possible for a child who has the disabilities you describe to.

They are two seperate issues, though not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Dont sweat the fact your Dad is trying to get him DLA. If he's not entitled, he wont get it, basically.

If he is, he is.

Dont have much else to add I'm afraid as I lack experience.

weblette · 15/03/2011 20:13

OP no direct experience but it sounds utterly frustrating for you. Fabby - I doubt there's ANYONE as well placed as the OP to know the 'difficulties' he goes through Hmm

How is your DS2 doing today?

SlainteBooyFeckingHoo · 15/03/2011 20:14

what an immensely idiotic post fabby!!

"Do you know the struggle he goes through just to go to one interview? Do you not realise how hard it will be for him to actually be employed, not withstanding the qualifications his disabilities are going to thrwart him at every turn"

you know what, i think that OP, being his motehr and having raised him, might have a bit of a clue what he faces in the employment world.

and yes he is entitled to spend hsi money as he pleases but at 20 years of age he needs to pay for his keep and not spend his money expecting others to bail him out when he runs out.

BestNameEver · 15/03/2011 20:15

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poochela · 15/03/2011 20:20

we tread a fine line as the parents of disabled children - supporting them through their disability and yet 'treating them like everyone else'. It's so so difficult to get it right and we spend hours agonising over whether we're doing the right thing or not.

If any other 20yr old kid was sitting around on his arse playing xbox all day the world would be telling him to pull his finger out and get a job and it's the same for your lad.

YANBU to make him grow up and budget/pay keep etc. It would disable him further to wrap him in cotton wool and never have him live his life in the real world.

YABU to not apply for DLA. He is entitled and in time may find the thing he wants/enjoys doing and this could finance it.

You sound like you've got it all going on at the moment. How did it work out with DS2 and when is your next due?

Hats off to you for holding so much down.

parakeet · 15/03/2011 20:20

Dear Bogeyface - I applaud you, and I absolutely think you should have it out with your parents.

There are an awful lot of young adults still living at home who are, basically, lazy feckers. How about encouraging him to move out? It might help with him learning to budget and generally taking more responsibility with his life.

I doubt he would last long with mate's mother. Even if he's there for five years, say, at some point the dole money will start to seem inadequate and hopefully then he'll start trying to get some qualifications or some kind of job.

Bogeyface · 15/03/2011 20:20

The problem is Fabby, as someone else said, the minute someone hears the words Cerebal Palsy they imagine a person in a wheelchair with severe problems. My cousin has a son just alittle younger than DS who is like that (no genetic link, just chance that they both got it), and I guess that makes me more mad. Cousins son will be 100% dependent for the rest of his life. DS cant do his own ironing. Do you see my problem? I dont begrudge him anything, far from it! I love him so much that I want him to have a successful independent life away from me, with his own place, and one day maybe a family of his own. but all that takes work and he cannot be bothered, simple as.

His laziness is the problem, his disability is his excuse.

I do know how he felt about the interview, he didnt mind going but didnt want to put any effort in. He even moaned about having to wash his shirts as "its only an interview". He only applied for the job because the Job Centre said he had to and threatened him with withdrawing his benefit.

I have taught him to budget, I have suggested he takes out his weekly money in cash and then he can see where it is going rather than just spending on his debit card til it gets refused which is what he does now. He never does it and tells me it is his money so he can do what he likes.

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comedycentral · 15/03/2011 20:21

Fabbychic you are so judgmental, did you even read the post? Your one of those 'positive discrimination' types.

To the OP, I think you have been a fantastic parent to your son, you are now trying to turn him into a man. You want him to work, have nice things for himself and stand on his own two feet, I can see that.

I think you should write a letter to your parents saying exactly how you feel, explain it all. As for your son I agree that he may have some self esteem issues which are really common in young people with disabilities.

I think you should continue encouraging him, even if he isn't ready for full time work he may enjoy volunteering?

LaWeasel · 15/03/2011 20:23

The problem is, that if he keeps fucking around and not trying to get a job he will end up with a huge long 'unemployed' section on his CV - which will make getting a job when he is sorted out even harder!

I understand why you're so frustrated.

But I have no idea how you can stop your parents from giving him money when he is able to get to their place by himself.

How did you decide what his rent would be?

Have you done a breakdown to show how much his room, food, energy, clean water, council tax cost to maintain?

And in comparison how much it would cost him if he was in a room in a shared house and he was living off JSA?

TandB · 15/03/2011 20:25

Exactly what Clytaemnestra said.

BettyCash · 15/03/2011 20:27

I second BestNameEver - there's no doubt you love him, want the best for him, and unlike everyone else you respect him and know how much self-respect he could have if he wasn't a lazy boy.

BUT you're going to have a breakdown if you try to control him now he's an adult. You'll never stop wanting the best for him, it's just he's going to have to come to you now as he's obviously not ready to hear it at the moment. :(

LaWeasel · 15/03/2011 20:32

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A volunteer post is not a bad idea. Is he interested in anything at all?

AppleyEverAfter · 15/03/2011 20:34

I don't think your parents giving him money every now and again will stop him from wanting a job, I think he probably doesn't want to work and the reasons for this you need to discuss with him. It doesn't sound like he's spolied either by you or his grandparents so I'm sure he'll get sick of having no money eventually and get motivated into seriously looking for work. Can he do some volunteer work maybe to boost his confidence in the workplace?

abbierhodes · 15/03/2011 20:37

OP, I think you sound like a fantastic mum, and I actually think your son's disability has very little bearing on this situation. The only advice I can give is to keep doing what you're doing...he'll thank you for it one day. I think he sounds pretty normal for a 20 year old actually...self centred with no thought for the future. He will grow out of this.

MrsChufftheMuff · 15/03/2011 20:42

I have a good mate who has CP, is a wheelchair user but able to transfer without assistance. He has, obviously, very limited use of his legs, and not as much strength in his arms as say someone else of his age and build.

And yes he is special (he would kill me if I said that to him!) and he is 20 years old, has a degree, works in Human Resources, moved into his own flat last year. His hobby is sailing with a company that ensure the disabilities of all crew members are 'co-ordinated' meaning that they can crew the ship. He says he loves the feeling of being 'not disabled' that it gives him.

I shall ring him immediately of course and tell him how hard he must find it all. And how his disabilities are going to thwart him at every turn.

I feel for you OP.

We all have our different challenges to face. When I tried to pass my exams I had crippling depression, and I have high anxiety and depression now. However I do as much as I am able and I recognise my strengths and weaknesses.

People with disabilities can get this message that they will 'fail' no matter what, or that life isn't worth living if you can't walk (wtf?!) and that they are only fit to be cared for. Yes your son will face bug challenges, as we all do throughout life, but he is selling himself short.

Have you sat down and asked him where he would like his life to go? Would he like to travel? Have a family? Run his own business? All of that is possible. Does he know that?

Your mum and dad are of their generation as far as this is concerned - used to drive me bonkers as a carer.

MrsChufftheMuff · 15/03/2011 20:42

big challenges even, not bug challenges!

lesley33 · 15/03/2011 20:58

I agree with you OP. He is using his disability as an excuse. And he isn't entitled to DLA, unless he lies and is believed. He is mobile and able to look after himself.

I think you should put aside the fact that he is disabled and think what you would do with any adult child who was behaving like this. So you should carry on taking money for him for his keep and carry on not subbing him.

You could ask your dad again not to sub him. But if you think there is no way he will listen to you, then I wouldn't bother putting yourself through the stress.

The Government is supposed to start coming down hard on people who are unemployed and not looking seriously for work. Hopefully this will happen with your DS. The other thing that might turn him around is meeting a partner who doesn't want him to be unemployed.

Is there anything he is interested in that you could get him to volunteer to do? tbh even a volunteering holiday abroad in a very disadvanatged country, might give him the jolt he needs. But sorry there are no obvious answers.

AgentZigzag · 15/03/2011 20:59

I don't agree with her, but I think when I read Fabbys post it's good to hear another opinion.

It's possible that you may be being a bit harder on the lad OP because you want him to be independent despite the disabilities he lives with.

I can't believe his friends mum though Shock cheeky mare, he must have spun her a right 'woe is me' line to get that response from her Grin

With regards to your Dad, I'm afraid I also think you're being a bit hard on them both in that situation.

GP help out GC, whatever age they are.

I don't know what I'd have done without my GP at times.

I can totally understand why you think the way you do, but he's only 20 and learning to get off his arse, you don't have to deny him any help in order for him to learn to be independent.

lesley33 · 15/03/2011 21:02

Like another poster, I do wonder if mates mother would really put him up for long once she sees the reality.