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To cut costs by reducing my family's food quality rather than give up my expensive haircuts?

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Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 10/03/2011 00:05

Ok, ok, deliberately provocative title for a basic WWYD. And I'm asking for financial advice in AIBU, so I am prepared for Opinions, capital letters.

We've happily lived within our income for years and years, but borrowed against the mortgage to reno our kitchen, so we have a debt to repay, albeit as slowly as we like.

There aren't a lot of areas we can cut back on. I could squeeze every area slightly but it would be a lot of effort for really not much money. I just deleted a long explanation of how cheaply we live because it was dull, but neither of us has expensive hobbies, buys CDs or computer games or expensive clothes, our social life is parks/picnics/free toddler activities/dinners with friends, and we're both DIYers. This is all just because we are boring sods naturally frugal; we lived like this even when we both worked fulltime.

There are two areas where there is some real fat to cut. One is food, and the other is my hair. If we cut one or the other, we'd add enough to what we currently save in order to pay down the debt fast enough.

Food: we cook from scratch so the budget isn't taken up with processed meals, but I spend around $200 (150quid) a week for two adults and a toddler. Our meals are meat or seafood heavy, which is made worse because I buy from a local butcher who sells free-range, ethical, great quality meat which is probably 150% of the price of other butchers. We tend to have good cheese, pate and posh crackers in the house, mineral water, wine, etc. My two year old is familiar with smoked salmon, olives and Brie, which is ridiculous because she'd be just as happy with cheddar and pickles but she eats what we do, and this is how we eat. We don't have junk food or snacks, but everything we do have is unncessarily good quality. I'm pretty sure I can cut this by a third without compromising on fresh ingredients and well cooked meals, it would just mean going to a cheaper butcher, making a couple of vegetarian meals a week, buying cheaper cuts.

Hair: I spend a fortune, frankly. It's long, and only gets cut every 3 months, but I go to an expensive hairdresser. The real expensive is the colour; it's coloured and streaked, and that happens every six weeks. I spend about 100 quid a month on it, all up. If I coloured it at home and found a cheaper cutter, it would go down to about 20 quid a month since it's only cut every three.

Here is the justification part: I couldn't do anything like the streaking at home. I'm mousy with a lot of premature grey, so the blonde streaks help cover the roots much better than any solid colour ever has. The cut is the first cut I have ever been really happy with, it's very low maintenance and looks classy but funky, and professional enough for my job. I've never found a cheaper hairdresser that can do as good a job, maybe I'm unlucky? I'm not particularly slim and not particularly pretty, but the one thing I do have, now, is great hair. It makes me feel good.

I prefer to cut down the food budget, but AIBU?

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SlightlyJaded · 10/03/2011 13:10

With the food thing. You mentioned that you are paying around 150% of a good butcher's rate because it is organic/ethical etc. Most 'good butchers' can tell you where the meat came from right down to the actual cow.

If it were the difference between a 'good butcher' and a tray of meat from the market, it would be a no brainer but if you are comparing an outstandingly ood butcher to a really good butcher, and you can make significant savings, switch butchers, and fishmongers etc.

The hair stays :o

staranise · 10/03/2011 13:23

Switch from meat to pulses/vegetarian three nightrs a week. Make the meat you buy go futher - cassoulets with lentils.

Use chorizo/pancetta etc where a little goes a long way.

Buy cheaper meat and cook it slower for longer.

Keep the haircuts but stretch out the frequency - it will probably save one haircut a year and more on the highlights. DOn't do home dyeing - I've tried it, it's ntothe same, particularly if your hair is long.

LikeANinjaNow · 10/03/2011 13:23

What slightlyjaded said.

TryingVeryHard · 10/03/2011 13:46

Grin Can't help but think what would NetMums say about the fact that NOT ONE poster here thought it might be unreasonable to cut your food bill ahead of your hairdressers' Grin

Joolyjoolyjoo · 10/03/2011 14:02

I've watched this thread with some interest, as always looking for ways to cut the food bill.

I can see that switching to veg/ pulses/ lentils would be great, healthwise and purse-wise, but there would be outrage in my family. DH would never eat lentils and thinks pulses are the work of the devil. The children are horribly fussy about food (despite me trying really hard over the years to educate their palates Grin) and I have tried vegetarian/ lentil based recipes before, to disastrous results!

We eat meat 3-4 times a week, fish one night and vegetarian (ie macaroni cheese/ pasta with pesto etc- no actual veg, it would end up on the side of everyone's plate, bar mine Sad) I actually love veggie dishes/ salads etc, and keep trying to sneak them in, but the screwed up faces at the table really deflate me and I have all but given up

Ben10isthespawnofthedevil · 10/03/2011 14:05

Joolyjoolyjoe

Try the Great Big Veg Challenge. It has converted DS to veg in a week!

happiestblonde · 10/03/2011 14:09

YANBU

My hair costs bloody loads and I will not compromise on that for anything. In fact, following this thread, I'm booking an appointment now - £150 well spent.

holyShmoley · 10/03/2011 14:28

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notrightnow · 10/03/2011 14:45

Keep the hair - you'll be miserable if you don't.
Cut the amount of meat but not the quality.
Ditch half the wine and all the mineral water.

If the debt is mortgage based, affordable, and you won't need to move in the near future, just keep paying at the rate you are now, but live a nice life. You are living v. simply anyway, and happy that way, but with two really big pleasures. Why sacrifice those? You only get one life.

minipie · 10/03/2011 14:47

Hmmm.

I spend a LOT on both food and hair (we love good quality food, and I have salon highlights). So I can empathise. But I think you can spend a lot less.

Hair - I only get my highlights done once every 3-4 months or so. Yes, I have roots showing in between. But I don't think I could justify getting it done every 6 weeks.

Food - I don't compromise on quality, but we don't eat expensive lumps of meat every day. (We eat a lot of cheese, and quite often have sausage/ chorizo/bacon flavoured stews). I also don't often buy "treat" items like mineral water, posh crackers, deli items etc. Just good basics.

I think you could cut down a fair bit on both hair and food, without making any radical changes.

Also, have you tried [www.moneysavingexpert.com]] for advice on reducing bills, switching suppliers etc?

Joolyjoolyjoo · 10/03/2011 14:50

Ben10isthespawn- Thanks, I am definitely going to look at that! (Do you think it might work on DH too??)

Gotabookaboutit · 10/03/2011 14:55

Quorn is a very good meat substitute as long as you remember it has no real flavour of its own and cook accordingly.

3 meat meals a day is no good for your kids or you come to that

Have a half head of highlights or even just t section depending on the cut every other time and it will probably even improve the condition of your hair

HHLimbo · 10/03/2011 17:15

OP you're fine! No need to make cuts ;)

I would swap the bottled water for fresh local water on tap though.

Also meat 3x/day sounds a bit unhealthy - does this mean bacon for every breakfast? I would save the fry-up for the weekend, and try croisants/muesli/toast/eggs/fruit (grapefruit?) alternatives.

AppleyEverAfter · 10/03/2011 17:28

£100 a month is way too much, you could probably get the same treatment at a local salon for about £50 and do this every six weeks. And if you got a single colour instead of streaks it would be cheaper. I think this is about balance... if you could cut your hair bill AND your food bill that's extra cash you could be spending on taking the kids for day trips or even the odd 'date' for you and DP. And this is coming from a grey-rooted 29-year-old who can NOT live without regular salon sessions. Grin

Lizzylou · 10/03/2011 17:36

Keep the hair, it sounds like it makes you happy and feel more confident which is priceless imo.
I'd just cut back slightly on the food, have less meat (has anyone else mentioned that? Wink) and save treats for the weekend. Even if you are only putting an extra £30 or whatever a week to the debt it will shrink faster (I know it is in Aus dollars, no dollar sign on pc).

Morloth · 10/03/2011 21:28

Quorn is never the answer.

SlightlyJaded · 10/03/2011 22:04

Morloth you are so right.

MaryMungo · 10/03/2011 22:07

I never waste a good fry up on breakfast. It makes a wonderful cheap evening meal. You need to find seven or eight cheap meals your family likes, then rotate them in at least twice a week. Ours are:

Fry up
Homemade pizza
Tomato pasta
Cheese pasta
Quiche
Shepherds pie bulked out with beans
Sunday roast pie (everything leftover cubed up and baked in a piecrust)

Once you decide what your cheap meals are, try to keep as many of the ingredients always on hand as you can. It makes you more likely to cook them :)

sunnydelight · 10/03/2011 22:48

The price of cheese here makes me cry Tortoise - I bought a small piece of Pont l'Eveque (imported of course), French brie (ditto) and some local blue recently as I was doing a nice meal for a celebration and it was $25. Every time we go to the supermarket DD wants goats cheese and 9/10 times I say no. I hate it having to be an occasional treat.

I would try and cut down your meat bill - we have a similar butcher up the road but with three seriously carnivorous kids, two of whom are on adult portions, I just can't do it.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 10/03/2011 22:51

You're all wonderful, thank you so much for validating me and giving me all these tips. I should specify that meat three meals is only weekends; my husband does a fry-up, then we might have ham and salad sandwiches for lunch, then a roast dinner. It's not every day. But still, I agree, I need to cut down the meat. Winter is coming, so that will help with cheap cuts. I love slow cooking. And a friend of mine once recommended a friend of hers for hair, who works from home, in cash, and is apparently good but cheap, so I might try that.

The only thing is that South Australia has one of the worst water qualities in the entire world, but maybe I should look into a filter tap rather than bottled.

NotSlightlyJaded; I realised this morning, thinking about this thread, that it's a quintessential dividing line, isn't it? I mean, what you feed your family tends to be so linked in with Are You A Good Mother, whereas the hair is the definition of personal gratification. So nice that you all feel I can keep the hair.

I didn't realise until writing the OP just how frugal I am in other ways, actually. So now I have a warm smug glow, but shall definitely be trying lots of these ideas.

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Morloth · 10/03/2011 22:57

Cheese is not as good here as in the UK I think, or possibly my tastebuds just adapted.

I was so excited to get back to the King Island cheeses but there are not that many of them around anymore and WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE KING ISLAND CREAM!?!?

I bought some South Cape Gruyere the other day and it was yuck, I found myself longing for Waitrose...

Still Tasmanian Heritage Triple Brie makes up for a lot.

And A2 milk, I love that stuff.

All my recipes are coming out weird because the produce is all so different, I really need to re-adjust.

DilysPrice · 10/03/2011 23:13

Borrow a really poncetastic vegetarian recipe book from the library (Ottolenghi is good) - and browse through it with DH, you obviously care about food, so you need to find some inspirational veggie recipes (ideally not featuring too many truffles). With fish, going further down the food chain is always cheaper, healthier and more environmentally sound. I know what that means in the UK, (mackerel, sardines, anchovies, not tuna, salmon, cod) but don't have a clue how it translates into Australian shopping though.

loubielou31 · 10/03/2011 23:14

You quite obviously don't want to cut either since you are coming up with way too many excuses for why both would be too difficult. That being the case you will have to pay the debt back more slowly and that includes all those extra interest payments!
Your money your choice, stop making excuses for it!

lololizzy · 10/03/2011 23:29

have never seen Quorn for sale in Australia..kept asking for it, shopkeepers hadn't heard of it and kept presenting me with corn instead Hmm

Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 10/03/2011 23:32

Oh, no, it would be easy to cut back the food, where have I said it wouldn't be? Just wasn't sure if it was appropriate, but I am convinced now.

Morloth, don't know where you are, but I have found that supermarket cheese is just hopeless no matter the brand, and the only way to go is farmers' market or locally produced. Even the same brands are way better at the speciality cheese shops, I think the supermarkets keep them frozen or something.

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