to not find the Charlie Sheen frenzy at all funny

[GetOrfMoiLand]

I feel sorry for him. He seems to be incredibly ill.

But people seem to think it is a laugh a minute. Listening to Jo Whiley yesterady and she was talking about how funny his latest broadcast was. I watched a bit of his interview last week, and he looked off his rocker, all twitchy and manic.

I am NO fan of him whatsoever, but I think it is reprehensible that someone completely breaking down like this is viewed as entertainment.

[Unwind]

He's an addict who doesn't want to stop.

He is also a serial abuser of women - which for some reason is much less shocking than his self abuse.

see here:

uk.jezebel.com/5774374/charlie-sheens-history-of-violence-toward-women?skyline=true&s=i

[kenobi]

Re: Martin Sheen.

Charlie is acting out his childhood home life. Until he got clean (in the 90s I think) Martin was a violent alcoholic who frequently took his anger out on his wife/wives and kids. While I think he sincerely regrets it but he has also totally damaged Charlie and his other children.

[Punkatheart]

I'm afraid I have never heard of Martin Sheen being violent, although he has been very open about his alcohol abuse. He did play a violent alcoholic in a film called Shattered Spirits.

I think that you have to be very very careful about blaming parents for behavioural issues later in life. My sister is a violent woman who drinks a lot and has been a nightmare for all of us most of her life. She has been forgiven time after time and loved - but now the family has had to cut her off. It is extremely hard to cope with people who constantly seem set on self-destruction.

When you are an adult, you have adult responsibilities. Sadly addiction is not 'wanting' it is 'needing' - it is the hardest thing for a person to want another type of life.

As for mental illness, drugs do have a chemical effect on the brain - certainly his rantings are consistent with this - so yes he is temporarily mentally ill.

[kenobi]

Punk You're absolutely right, anything MS did or didn't do does not excuse CS's adult behaviour. I saw a therapist for a while and she always said that once you're an adult you have to stop blaming other people for your issues (except she said it better of course!).

But I did see some show or other where MS admitted he was an utter nightmare and I think it does have a bearing. I doubt CS has ever had to account for his own issues or behaviour in his entire life.

Unwind Thanks for the link - fascinating.

[thumbwitch]

It's very disturbing watching him - especially if he believes his own hype. DH thinks he is still very much on the drugs, but it could just be his own chemical imbalance that's whacking him out.

He really needs help, that's for sure :( and I don't like seeing the media feeding frenzy going on around him.

[wannaBe]

the thing is these people seek the publicity for the majority of the rest of the time.

And his behaviors are a result of choices he has made - no he may not have chosen to become an addict but he certainly chose to take the drugs in the first place and is choosing to continue to take them without getting help for his addiction.

I think the reactions are distasteful but truth is that he's put himself out there on twitter - it's not as if the media are twisting his words.

I'm afraid I have little sympathy for these people - Paul Gascoigne was another nasty individual who beat up his wife and has never shown any remorse for that and now for some reason people feel sorry for him. Kerry Katona is another one who neglected her children in pursuit of her drug habbit - at least she is clean now though but still she couldn't wait to get back into the public eye.

People need to take responsibility for their actions - CS grew up in the spotlight - it's not as if he is new to all the tabloid attention and the speculation about his life - his family are all celebrities.

[notnowbernard]

In response to OP - I agree, I think he is very ill and it's a tragic demise

I was no great fan of his or anything but he is a human and he is seriously fucked up

I don't see it as a laughing matter. The furore around Britney Spears was the same - taking the piss out of a mentally ill young woman. Yeah, fucking hilarious

[wannaBe]

are they really mentally ill though?

Tbh I think that mental illness is seen as a bit of a get-out clause to excuse unreasonable/irational behavior.

Celebrity turns to drugs and becomes an addict/goes into and out of rehab for the next several years, while reacting in a strange way inbetween times - must be suffering from mental illness.

Mother kills her own children - must be suffering from mental illness.

Someone trolls on mn - must be suffering from mental illness.

What happened to taking responsibility for your own actions? If someone chooses to take drugs, chooses to beat up their wife, chooses to join twitter and post odd comments no-one else is responsible for that but themselves.

And because twitter is such a public platform the media aren't seeking out this stuff - it's all there, publically available - it's like he's publishing it himself - the tabloids haven't actually done anything.

[Unwind]

so many people feeling sorry for poor Charlie Sheen - not one iota of sympathy expressed for the women he abused

[notnowbernard]

I think addiction is a mental illness, yes

I believe you are responsible for managing your addiction and staying healthy (ie as a diabetic does - has an illness but can live well through positive choices)

But clearly his begaviour is completely unmanageable to him atm and he is making insane choices. He can't get well on his own right now.

Interesting discussion and would hang about but school-run calls!

[Janos]

Well, I don't take any joy in it but neither do I feel any sympathy for him.

He's a serial abuser of women and yet this is more or less ignored, as if abuse of women is so normalised its not worth mentioning. I think that's grotesque.

[Katey1010]

Great clip from Craig Ferguson about not making Charlie jokes

[melikalikimaka]

He is an epic fail with his two floozies in tow.

He will be dead soon from an overdose.

[winnybella]

yy Janos. The fact that he has several guilty pleas to DV somehow doesn't seem to matter.

Or the fact that he spouts anti-semitic crap.

As I said, it's tragic for his family, but him...I can't say that I have lots of sympathy for him.

[NunTheWiser]

It's just such an awful thing to be touted as entertainment, though. He's in the grip of a catastrophic downward spiral and everyone is cackling and baying for more like old women round the guillotine.
CS may be a deeply unpleasant individual regardless of his addiction, however the voyeuristic pleasure so many people seem to be getting out of this situation is hardly pleasant either.

[madamimadam]

Thanks for posting that link, unkind. (I posted a thread about the New York Times piece but I am the threadkiller de notre jour. You have the power ). I thought the comments in the article on the representation of women in the media were especially true.

I'm another one who's a bit at the reaction to Sheen's actions - it's as though he's only being 'a bit of a card', as though his anti-semitic remarks, abuse of women etc are somehow comic.

'Floozies'? I take it you haven't followed unkind's link, then melikalikimaka...

[madamimadam]

Three emoticons in one bloody post, ffs.

Three

[GetOrfMoiLand]

Yes I totally agree unkind about his treatment of women, and thanks for posting that link. I had no idea that his catalogue of crimes was so immense, I didn't know he had shot Kelly preston, or that he was abusive towards Denise Richards either. He is a totally vile human being I agree, I still however find his rantings painful to watch and still do feel a certain sympathy towards someone falling to bits in front of our eyes.

His second wife Brooke Mueller seems in a bit of a sorry state as well, god knows how much of that is due to having been in a relationship with him for years.

[saffy85]

I don't feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for his kids, all of them. They will all have to grow up knowing daddy chose drugs, drink and an endless stream of trashy women over them. But that's addicts for you, incredibly selfish people who never consider others.

[victoriascrumptious]

Let him carry on, that's what I say. I wish he'd invite me to one of his parties and yeah he is funny

[NorthernGobshite]

He is clearly mentally ill. But the media like stories like his. It will end badly, I'm sure. I wonder also for the sanity or morals of the women he hangs around with.

[victoriascrumptious]

"I am on a drug: It's called Charlie Sheen"
hahaha

[victoriascrumptious]

He beat up a woman? I didn't know that.

slinks away......



slinks back

......he's still funny though
(squeek)

[ledkr]

Also agree,i remember they did the same with David Ike,even as a young girl i remember feeling really sad as he was defo ill,it lead me to do my psych nursing.