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To wonder what is stopping low skilled jobs being created.

93 replies

goneanddoneitnow · 21/02/2011 20:29

To make britain a better place.
The work is there.
Rubbish all over the streets.
Public buildings filthy
Not enough supervision at school.
Elderly needing help at home.
Not enough staff to help people eat and drink or reach the toilet in hospital.
Child minders for those working in other jobs.
And much more!
The people are there - all those on benefits.
The money is there - the benefit pay outs.
Many of these sorts of jobs would suit people with school age children.
Need only be part time and the workers should get top ups to give them a minimum wage and a bit more than benefit.
Would it not be fairer for more people to work 20 hours a week than some doing 40 and some none for the same income since minimum wage is about equal to benefits.

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NoSuchThingAsSociety · 21/02/2011 22:54

ILoveTiffany - I see...I have to explain my personal end-of-life plans with you and others in order to put forward my opinion.

I don't think so.

Rest assured, I see no need for the State's involvement and have planned accordingly.

Don't judge others by your own expectations.

usualsuspect · 21/02/2011 22:55

Lets hope your life goes to plan then

Wook · 21/02/2011 22:56

Glad to hear NoSuch that you are futureproof, and have planned to never suffer from Alzheimers, lose your family or your fortune, become disabled etc. These things can only happen to the morally infirm.

mamatomany · 21/02/2011 23:04

Yes, old people are annoying and smelly and dirty but they are your f*cking parents so don't expect pther people to pick up the tab for them.

What about the parents who pissed off and abandoned their kids or the ones who were abusive are we the children to wipe their arses too ?

NoSuchThingAsSociety · 21/02/2011 23:06

mamatomany - yes, I'm surprised you have to ask.

Are you that precious that you would pay someone else to care for those that brought you into this world?

GypsyMoth · 21/02/2011 23:07

Lol at your smugness!! End of life plans!?! Lol.

mamatomany · 21/02/2011 23:20

No, I'm going to leave the fuckers to rot personally.

bumpsnowjustplump · 21/02/2011 23:35

I do one of said jobs and I never considered my self low skilled..

. I had a deploma (although this is irrelevent to job)
. I have high level mental health training
. One week I work 18 hours a week the next I do 38
. I am on less than min wage and less that I would be on bennifits
. I do the job because I love helping people. My industry has an appaling rep for not caring and I for one would be outraged if people were made to do my job for bennifit money as volnerable people would suffer

Get your head out your arse op and have a bit of respect...

bumpsnowjustplump · 21/02/2011 23:45

whoops excuse spelling, post was fuelled by anger at op.

Nosuch what if the parents dont want their children to see them covered in shit, unable to move, unable to go to the toilet or do basic tasks for themselves? Prehaps they feel better about a stranger doing it and have family see them respectable... really you have no idea..

coccyx · 22/02/2011 06:09

these jobs may be 'low skilled' but not every one can carry them out to a high standard. Caring correctly for children and the elderly takes a special person in my experience

NoSuchThingAsSociety · 22/02/2011 06:18

bumpsnowjustplump - there was a time when family members did such tasks for their parents as an act of love (or duty). We have become waaaaaaaayyyy too precious and expect taxpaters' money to be used to save us such minor embarrassments.

Really, you have no idea...

ambarth · 22/02/2011 07:03

there was a time when women didn't work outside the home and could care for elderly relatives. These days most homes need two salaries to meet their housing costs. People live a long way from relatives for work reasons too. Society has changed.

Tories want to mothers into work, think people should get on their bikes to find jobs, but then expect us all to volunteer and look after our relatives. It's not possible.

Mrswhiskerson · 22/02/2011 07:53

Yabu to call those jobs low skilled , I worked as a carer for the elderly and whilst it may not take a degree to do it it does take a certain type of person , just imagine starting at seven you have a lady covered in feaces which it is your job to clean up you may/may not get verbally or physically abused you have very little time to do this x10 all the while remaining pleasant dealing with visitors ,doctors telling relatives their beloved mum/dad/gran has passed away this is just a tiny example of what a carer does and all for minimum wage to have people looking down on you for it is just the last straw . I'm sure the same goes for all the people who do work In these so called low skilled jobs .

Morloth · 22/02/2011 08:00

I think you could quite easily get people to do these jobs and simultaneously get lots of people of benefits.

It is very simple, they need to pay a living wage.

To do that you will need to include pensions and insurance and all sorts of things.

Where exactly is the money going to come from for this?

Why is this so hard to understand? As I understand it the current system makes it virtually impossible to live and work (because working itself costs money) on the minimum wage.

The answer isn't to cut benefits but to make working more attractive, and that means increasing wages because people are not stupid, most people (myself included) are not going to work for less money than they could get otherwise. I could get a job, but due to childcare I would end up out of pocket - I am not going to work 40 hours a week to end up with less money than I have now, why would someone on benefits not make the same call?

ScramVonChubby · 22/02/2011 10:07

Well yesterday I e-mailed lots of lcoal schools to ask about going in one day a week to help to gain PGCE experience: I have two eyar's post grad experience in autism and I still bet I won;t hear back! They are inundated here, not desperate. University really striggling to place student teachers now. It may be different elsewhere, but certainly theya re not crying out for the help by any means.

I ahve to say though I have disbaled young chidlren and would I let random people coerced into contact with them? Would I hell as like! These are vulnerable groups, they need support from people wanting to do it, not people coerced by the need for an income. It's a vocation for a reason.

And haha ha at nosuch thing. I feel I have the right to laugh, actually being a carer. Mum cares for Grandad with no elp from anyone, a nasty aggressive old man banned from most palces due to his racism and who she enver spoke to for forty years becuase of the way he treated her (think trying to bash a door down to get to her when she was on bedrest for yet another stillbirth, on basis that he sent Mum to Grammar and didn;t want her stuck with a mere brickie Angry). She hates it, he never gives her a minutes peace banging on her door and yet she does it. Sister bought a house with an extra room for parents sgould they need care- lookinf after our own in my blood.

Do I feel valued? Nope I feel as if I am falling between the gaps widening between worthy (earning) and unworthy (chociec claiming) and getting more invisible every day. I am glad that acrer's has been separated from universal credit as I think that does send a message, but we would still be subject to a drop in the value of our income long term and in hinesty, how much do epopel think £53 a week (17p an hour for 2 kids 24/7 care) make me feel as if I have an important role despite the cross party rhetoric?

WHen I was young Dad earned a family wage, there was social housing about for anyone who needed it and most Mums didn;t work 9dmittedly I was in the sticks and feminism probably reached us about twenty eyars after everyone else). I do NOT advocate a return to that at all but equally it's ridiculous to expect women to absorb the care provisions all round AND work. And that's what would happen of course, it does usually come back to women.

Do I feel valued for my role? Like hell do I! Apart from the odd angel comment (so very, very wrong) I am either seen as a drain on benefits or a sad anomally to be forgotten about. Don;t agree? look at the number of posts on the MN Sexualisation campaign and compare with the nuber on the carer's one (BOOTH of which I support). I am despertae to get abck earning and buy myself some kind of security becuase I am sick of waking with panic attacks at 3am, yet there is no chidlcare we can use, and SSD have no responsibility to help get any either. I feel as if I am expected to waft about sustained by teh dignity of what I do and not be bothered by such earthly matters as the heating bill- like hell!

One of us will always have to be home based; when other chidlren grow up, ds3 in particular will still need an equivalent of childare but there is ntohing like Tax Credits to help us after he leaves education, and social services are conspicuous only by their absence as so often is the case. Both of us, and always were, ambitious people with a decent education and skills and worh ethic and we both eel we have been consigned a strange cloak of invisibility: too worthy for criticism, too easy to ignore otherwise.I am a non person. And 'they' (any Government, all of them) know they can get away with it becuase we love the people we care for. If I felt this way about life without the boys toc are for I;d have stopped getting out of bed years ago, but I will not let the boys see me struggle. They will learn soon enugh how society sees disbaled people, childhood is the best part of many disabled people's lives, but not et please God.

there was a thread on here a while back wher epeople argues carers did nothing more than every otehr aprent: well all I can say if you have a child who is NT and are bruised from your eleven year old, or worrying about how you will cope with childcare when your child is 37, you have issues my friend. Whereas I ahve reality.

bumpsnowjustplump · 22/02/2011 11:31

I do have a clue Nosuch. I am a community carer and look after people in their own home. A lot of the time it is family members homes for pallative care but for general care the old people do not want to leave the home where they have lived for many years to move in with their family.

Some peoples care is paid for by the government others is jointly paid and others are paid entirely by the individual.

I have specialist training in mental health and also other disability training.

I care for all ages and all disabilities. One young man we look after is 23 years old and has been dying since he was born. His parents were told he wouldn't live past the age of 7. His mum has been his sole carer for the last 23 years day and night. Do you really begrudge her the few hours aweek that the government pay for her to have respite care and for us to go in and ensure he is clean, happy and the machines are working correctly..

If you do then I really pitty you..

MintyMoo · 22/02/2011 11:43

Glad to hear NoSuch that you are futureproof, and have planned to never suffer from Alzheimers, lose your family or your fortune, become disabled etc

I got fired from my job for having the audacity to become disabled. I have spent most of this day in bed and can barely move. I'm in my early twenties. Shit happens, I never anticipated this. How could I possibly have planned for this? I wish I'd known, I could have skipped going to Uni and worked whilst I was healthy and have money saved up by now. Everyone's just an accident/virus away from potentially being very sick or disabled.

The fact that I lost my first job (the first full time job I've had) after only a few months is making people very reluctant to hire me. I'm in limbo - got some experience which is always better than none, but not enough experience in my chosen career that I don't still need trainig in a new job. None of this is my fault.

Amieesmum · 22/02/2011 12:03

I'd happily take any of these jobs if i could find them. Especially the home care & hospital help. Gives me shivers to think it could be my grandma at home alone unable to care for herself (luckily it's not)

In my area these are all full time jobs Sad

I'm at that stage where i'm willing to do pretty much anything as long as it's part time roughly during school hours, with maybe the odd weekend here and there.

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